# President Trump's notches a win at SCOTUS in asylum restrictions case
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 11, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073 "2019-09-11T23:41:31Z")
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/1 "2019-09-11T23:41:31Z")
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> [In a major win for the Trump administration, the Supreme Court issued an order late Wednesday ending all injunctions that had blocked the White House’s ban on asylum for anyone trying to enter the U.S. by traveling through a third country, such as Mexico, without seeking protection there.
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> The Supreme Court’s order was not a final ruling on the policy’s merits but does allow the policy to take effect nationwide while the case makes its way through the lower courts.
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> …]([Supreme Court allows Trump asylum restrictions to take effect, ending 9th Circuit injunctions | Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-green-lights-trumps-immigration-asylum-ban))
> [@@realDonaldTrump](#):
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> [BIG United States Supreme Court WIN for the Border on Asylum!](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1171918282905018370)
The actual SCOTUS order is available [here](https://www.scribd.com/document/425465017/19A230-Order):
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> The application for stay presented to JUSTICE KAGAN and by her referred to the Court is granted. The district court’s July 24, 2019 order granting a preliminary injunction and September 9, 2019 order restoring the nationwide scope of the injunction are stayed in full pending disposition of the Government’s appeal in the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit and disposition of the Government’s petition for a writ of certiorari, if such writ is sought. If a writ of certiorari is sought and the Court denies the petition, this order shall terminate automatically. If the Court grants the petition for a writ of certiorari, this order shall terminate when the Court enters its judgment
Sotomayor and Ginsburg dissented.
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/2 "2019-09-12T00:19:07Z")
One more example of Trump and his Supreme Court appointees getting everything bass ackwards at the expense of humanity and morality.
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/3 "2019-09-12T00:24:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> The actual SCOTUS order is available [here](https://www.scribd.com/document/425465017/19A230-Order):
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> Sotomayor and Ginsburg dissented.
Do _you_ consider this a win?
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/4 "2019-09-12T00:32:30Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#):
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> Do _you_ consider this a win?
Yes.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/5 "2019-09-12T00:35:32Z")
> [@Superdude](#):
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> One more example of Trump and his Supreme Court appointees getting everything bass ackwards at the expense of humanity and morality.
It appears that President Trump’s Supreme Court appointees’ were joined in this by one of Obama’s, and Clinton’s, and both of GWB’s, and one of George H. W. Bush’s appointees.
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### Author:  [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/6 "2019-09-12T00:44:27Z")
What does this have to do with elections?
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/7 "2019-09-12T01:28:03Z")
> [@kirkrapine](#):
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> What does this have to do with elections?
I guess because it’s about the sport of politics, which apparently involves teams, and has “winners” and “losers”. What happens to actual human beings is not important.
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### Author:  [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/8 "2019-09-12T01:29:34Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> I guess because it’s about the sport of politics, which apparently involves teams, and has “winners” and “losers”. What happens to actual human beings is not important.
By that standard, discussion of **anything** the Admin does would belong in the Elections forum, but I think most such are better placed in GD or the Pit.
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/9 "2019-09-12T01:30:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> It appears that President Trump’s Supreme Court appointees’ were joined in this by one of Obama’s, and Clinton’s, and both of GWB’s, and one of George H. W. Bush’s appointees.
I’m aware. My point is that it’s not bad enough that Trump and his administration are blatantly actively undermining the values of this country by leaps and bounds by being maliciously evil in trying to destroy our reputation and credibility with stupid shit like this.
The part that really bothers me is that they’re so fucking smug doing anything they can that only benefits them and theirs. The fact that a couple of justices got duped is nothing to be happy about.
Trump is pissing on our collective legs. The only difference is that you haven’t realized that it’s not rain. He could tell you to go to hell, and you’d pack a bag and request a window seat.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/10 "2019-09-12T16:14:56Z")
> [@Superdude](#):
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> … The fact that a couple of justices got duped is nothing to be happy about. …
Unless the “couple of justices” is referring to Sotomayor and Ginsburg, you’re way off on the number here, and I’d argue that “got duped” isn’t really accurate. They examined the issue and decided that the 9th’s injunction wasn’t warranted, and it was 7-2, not even a close call.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/11 "2019-09-12T16:36:58Z")
> [@kirkrapine](#):
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> By that standard, discussion of **anything** the Admin does would belong in the Elections forum, but I think most such are better placed in GD or the Pit.
I really appreciate that you’ve only been here a week but have read, memorized and internalized the forum guidelines already. Never see that.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/12 "2019-09-12T17:09:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Yes.
If you see that the Trump Administration can legally rewrite asylum laws at its whim, then I suppose you must strongly believe that the Obama Administration legally rewrote immigration laws through DACA. Can’t wait for that decision in a few months! Shall you and I pop a bottle of champagne when the Court rules that Presidents don’t need Congress to do what they want to with respect to the border?
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### Author:  [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/13 "2019-09-12T17:14:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> … it was 7-2, not even a close call.
Not in evidence.
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> [Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg noted their dissent. Five justices were needed to grant the request; the votes of the others were not publicly announced.](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/11/politics/supreme-court-asylum-rule/index.html)
What we can say from what the Court has announced, w/r/t the vote:
JUSTICES CONCURRING: somewhere between 5 and 7, inclusive
JUSTICES DISSENTING: Sotomayor and Ginsburg, plus somewhere between 0 and 2, inclusive
JUSTICES ABSTAINING: somewhere between 0 and 2, inclusive
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/14 "2019-09-12T18:27:09Z")
> [@mjmlabs](#):
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> Not in evidence.
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> What we can say from what the Court has announced, w/r/t the vote:
> JUSTICES CONCURRING: somewhere between 5 and 7, inclusive
> JUSTICES DISSENTING: Sotomayor and Ginsburg, plus somewhere between 0 and 2, inclusive
> JUSTICES ABSTAINING: somewhere between 0 and 2, inclusive
Thanks for this correction. I wasn’t previously aware that justices could abstain like this, and didn’t consider the possibility that they might dissent and not sign onto the dissent (or pen their own).
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trumps-notches-a-win-at-scotus-in-asylum-restrictions-case/840073/15 "2019-09-14T23:06:19Z")
Is this about the stay of the injunction on the plan to require asylum-seekers at the southern border to first demonstrate that they sought refuge in Mexico? 'Cos a stay of the injunction can be counted as a BAD thing for the upholding of the values on which this country’s greatness is based, but it seems like less of a victory for the America-hating fuckstick and Stephen [del]Himmler[/del] Imean Miller than a time-out, pending an actual decision on the merits.