# Presidential legacies over the last 50 years. Who' s got the best and worst? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 15, 2005, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-legacies-over-the-last-50-years-who-s-got-the-best-and-worst/317150 "2005-08-15T21:43:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-legacies-over-the-last-50-years-who-s-got-the-best-and-worst/317150/81 "2005-08-17T17:29:06Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I haven’t lost yet. I won’t admit defeat unless she formally announces that she’s a candidate. Agreed. > [@](#): > > Exploring the landscape and posturing in the Senate don’t count. Yes, but they don’t help either! 😉 > [@](#): > > I still believe that the polls will show her (and the DNC) that a large enough percentage of the elctorate is so unreachable for her that she will be dissuaded from running. She does not want to run and be humiliated. Maybe. But, will she risk hummiliation for a chance to be the first woman president of the US? We’ll see… ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-legacies-over-the-last-50-years-who-s-got-the-best-and-worst/317150/82 "2005-08-17T19:54:41Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > The Paula Jones sexual harassment case was thrown out of court for lack of merit. It was bullshit. He was not found responsible for any “action.” > > And she was not affected by the blow job. He was adversely affected by _her_ baseless lawsuit. **DtC** , I’m trying to say what I want to say here in as inoffensive a manner as possible. Please take this in the manner I’m offering it - respectful disagreement and not an attack on you or anyone who shares your opinions. I’m not out to defend Paula Jones or her lawsuit, or anyone else. (Hell, you want me to kvetch about how awful Shrub is, I’ve got a laundry list.) But, the implication of your comment here to me is that it’s acceptable for someone to lie under oath, if the suit is later determined to be baseless - and that I disagree with, very strongly. In a sexual harassment case, I believe that the standard procedure often includes testimony about the accused’s sexual behavior past and present with other women. As such, the testimony that Clinton offered was both a violation of his oath to tell the truth and, as I pointed out in my earlier post, a sign to me that he had no problem expecting other people to answer such questions, as long as he didn’t have to answer them. Which attitude, in a President, is the same kind of thinking that Nixon ran acropper upon: “I’m the President, the rules don’t apply to me.” And, no, I’m not saying that the actions of the two men were equally bad. Just that the reasoning behind such actions does seem to go against the idea of one rule of law. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2005, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-legacies-over-the-last-50-years-who-s-got-the-best-and-worst/317150/83 "2005-08-18T04:21:40Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Maybe that is the great flaw of the modern left — a denial of history born of an ill-conceived revisionism. What revisionism? How was Johnson to blame for the race riots? And how did the anti-Vietnam War movement really damage our society? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-legacies-over-the-last-50-years-who-s-got-the-best-and-worst/317150.md?page=4)