# Presidential preference poll, nominees decided version **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 8, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807 "2016-06-08T04:01:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/21 "2016-06-10T18:06:00Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I’m talking about the folks who claim to be moderates but really are just tribal Democrats who want to be taken more seriously. Why would a moderate want the staggeringly stupid and backwards GOP platform to be enacted? What, exactly, is the GOP promising that is moderate? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/22 "2016-06-10T18:06:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Why would a Democrat vote for a Republican, even one with principles? > [@Lobohan](#): > > Why would a moderate want the staggeringly stupid and backwards GOP platform to be enacted? > > What, exactly, is the GOP promising that is moderate? You’re talking to Will. His political views have no relationship to rationality. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/23 "2016-06-10T18:22:19Z")
I voted for Obama thinking that he could be a great President. He turned out to be an extremely good one. I am voting for Clinton expecting her to be an extremely good President. Maybe she’ll end up being a great one. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/24 "2016-06-10T19:04:04Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I voted for Obama thinking that he could be a great President. He turned out to be an extremely good one. > > I am voting for Clinton expecting her to be an extremely good President. Maybe she’ll end up being a great one. Even if she turned out to be a cross between Nixon and Bush 43, she’d still be light years better than Trump. And it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Trump had an enemy list that puts Nixon’s to shame. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/25 "2016-06-10T19:20:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > … it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Trump had an enemy list that puts Nixon’s to shame. You see? Trump has a plan for overpopulation, too. It’s a brilliant plan, you’re not going to believe it! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/26 "2016-06-10T19:28:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Even if she turned out to be a cross between Nixon and Bush 43, she’d still be light years better than Trump. > > And it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Trump had an enemy list that puts Nixon’s to shame. Maybe not yet, but he’s gaining. Clinton. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/27 "2016-06-10T19:40:29Z")
Between a frequent liar with whom I agree on most policy issues, and a racist, self-absorbed bully who’s moved sharply to the right over the years, I’ll go with Door #1. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/28 "2016-06-10T20:07:09Z")
Wait wait - which one’s the door with the goat? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/29 "2016-06-10T20:27:40Z")
The one to the peanut-butter factory floor: [Geico "Screaming Scapegoat" commercial HQ - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-EZizbG7ms) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/30 "2016-06-10T20:30:56Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Even if she turned out to be a cross between Nixon and Bush 43, she’d still be light years better than Trump. I honestly believe that if Trump were President, he’d make George W. Bush look like Thomas Jefferson. Trump would be the worst President in U.S. history, and it would not be a close call. His admnistration would have a measurably significant negative impact on American life expectancy. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/31 "2016-06-10T20:39:54Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I honestly believe that if Trump were President, he’d make George W. Bush look like Thomas Jefferson. > > Trump would be the worst President in U.S. history, and it would not be a close call. His admnistration would have a measurably significant negative impact on American life expectancy. The suicide rate, it will be YUUUUGE. Either that or there will be a civilian-led invasion of Canada. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/32 "2016-06-10T21:16:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The suicide rate, it will be YUUUUGE. > Either that or there will be a civilian-led invasion of Canada. Yes, the suicide rate would undoubtedly increase. A Trump presidency would be dreadful for the economy. Bad economies kill people, including by suicide. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/33 "2016-06-11T02:41:57Z")
Johnson is running away with second place! ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/34 "2016-06-11T03:26:47Z")
None of the above. For the first time in my life both candidates are so horrifically bad I can’t be party to electing either one of them so I’m going to write in a candidate. It won’t make a difference, but at least I won’t have cast a vote for Trump or Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/35 "2016-06-11T03:39:47Z")
I’m very happy to cast my vote for a) a milestone in history that will expand our talent pool moving forward, b) a person intimately familiar with 2 successful administrations, the legislative process, and international affairs c) a politician who has been excoriated for 3 decades without anything of true substance being revealed, d) a continuation of the progress our country has made over the last 8 years. Damn straight it’s President Clinton for me. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/36 "2016-06-11T03:44:45Z")
Well I guess a) is valid in the sense that from now on, we will consider women who married a President as candidates for President. As for d), my support for Clinton is based on me counting on the fact that she’ll depart from Obama on several issues. You do know that tying herself to Obama is strategy, right? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/37 "2016-06-11T05:36:51Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Johnson is the Republican staunch Democrats say they would vote for in order to pretend they are a nonpartisan moderate. Gary Johnson wants to abolish personal and corporate income taxes and cut federal expenditures by 43% across the board. Never mind whether these are good ideas or bad; I’m trying to understand how you get from there to “moderate.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/38 "2016-06-11T05:41:55Z")
Moderation isn’t just in the ideology, it’s also in the demeanor. Gary Johnson has said he’d take a 10-1 spending to taxes deal from Democrats without hesitation. In the real world, he’d probably be willing to take a lot less than that. That makes him more moderate than Republicans, who won’t take ANY deal that raises taxes, even if Democrats agreed to abolish SS and Medicare. So yeah, Johnson would like to cut federal expenditures in half, but if he had a Democratic Congress and they came to him with a deal to reform entitlements and cut spending by say, 5%, but he had to agree to raise taxes on the rich a little, a deal would be struck pretty quickly. That’s what makes him a moderate, at least by comparison. No matter how extreme his stated positions, they aren’t demands. They are just a starting point for negotiations. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/39 "2016-06-11T18:42:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > …or there will be a civilian-led invasion of Canada. I’d prefer to think of it as a “simultaneous mass vacation ingress.” ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807/40 "2016-06-11T21:35:57Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I’m talking about the folks who claim to be moderates but really are just tribal Democrats who want to be taken more seriously. > [@adaher](#): > > Moderation isn’t just in the ideology, it’s also in the demeanor. Gary Johnson has said he’d take a 10-1 spending to taxes deal from Democrats without hesitation. In the real world, he’d probably be willing to take a lot less than that. That makes him more moderate than Republicans, who won’t take ANY deal that raises taxes, even if Democrats agreed to abolish SS and Medicare. > > So yeah, Johnson would like to cut federal expenditures in half, but if he had a Democratic Congress and they came to him with a deal to reform entitlements and cut spending by say, 5%, but he had to agree to raise taxes on the rich a little, a deal would be struck pretty quickly. That’s what makes him a moderate, at least by comparison. No matter how extreme his stated positions, they aren’t demands. They are just a starting point for negotiations. Moderates don’t talk about removing Kim Jong Un from power in Korea and uniting the Peninsula under Seoul while hating the various regime changes performed by both Bush and Obama. That is an immoderate hypocrite. This after making clear how much he hates hypocrisy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/presidential-preference-poll-nominees-decided-version/756807.md?page=3)