"Prior to the night hostesses were told the men could be “annoying” by Caroline Dandridge, the founder of the agency responsible for hiring the staff. She told one of the hostesses that while some women “love” the work, for others it would be “the worst job of their life.”
And that is only a snippet of what we know she said. That pretty well spells out harrassed. Dandrige claims no groping took place.
Events company Artista was responsible for sourcing the hostesses. Founder Caroline Dandridge told The FT: “This is a really important charity fundraising event that has been running for 33 years and raises huge amounts of money for disadvantaged and underprivileged children’s charities. There is a code of conduct that we follow, I am not aware of any reports of sexual harassment and with the calibre of guest, I would be astonished.”
To be clear, then, you’re not saying that “Indeed they were [warned that they would be groped or harassed]”? Or you’re saying they were warned they would be harassed, but not warned they would be groped? And because the organizer of the event, who could well face criminal charges if she were intentionally setting up women for sexual assault, denies that groping took place, you take that at face value?
I just wanna be clear on what you’re arguing here.
Yeah, but calling them “allegations” isn’t some magical wand of dismissery. They are very serious allegations, and what we’re not seeing is a lot of clear, credible denials.
Let it be known that DrDeth thinks sexual harassment is “annoying”, and that being informed that customers might be “annoying” “pretty well spells out” that employees will face sexual harassment.
While still in law school I applied for a JAG officer position and the Lt. Colonel who interviewed me essentially used those exact words. Your analogy is flawed.
She did not, in fact, state this. She said that she was not aware of any sexual harassment. That’s incredibly different from saying there wasn’t any at all. And it tells us pretty much nothing at all – the only person she could be certain was not sexually harassed is herself.
This is one of the weirdest threads I’ve ever seen, as DrDeth is claiming that he’s on the verge of being harassed; but the women crying in the bathroom for being groped actually consented to it.
Again, then, why do you claim that “indeed they were [warned that they would be groped or harassed]”? Do you believe they were warned that they would be harassed, but not sexually harassed?
Your claim is looking more and more like gibberish, and it might be a good idea to ask yourself whether it is indeed gibberish.
I tend to think that prostitution should be legal; and if the party is set up very clearly such that the people working it know that they’re working as prostitutes, and that’s up-front and it’s not some sort of bait-and-switch, “You’re a waitress NO WAIT you’re a sex worker,” bullshit, then all I have is some lingering moral disgust with the dudes at the party, and depending on their circumstances it’s not a super strong disgust. Even with illegal prostitution, as long as the women working it are recruited knowing with no ambiguity what job they’re expected to do, I’m not super concerned.
But the bait-and-switch is appalling, and I find myself wondering whether sexual assault or solicitation or pandering laws were violated. Sex work that isn’t completely informed and completely voluntary is appalling.
They were warned that ""Prior to the night hostesses were told the men could be “annoying” by Caroline Dandridge, the founder of the agency responsible for hiring the staff. She told one of the hostesses that while some women “love” the work, for others it would be “the worst job of their life.”
In any case, this venue has operated for decades without a single complaint. Now we have one muck raking journalist without a single source who claims horrible things were going on.
Left Hand of Dorkness provides a fairly credible anonymous interview that that hostess claimed : "Like some of them, you know, you’d stand, and they’d try and hold your hand and speak to you. Or hold you by the waist. I had one man, I was standing there, and he grabbed my bum, and he said, ‘You don’t work out a lot, do you?’ And that’s when actually another one of the men stood up for me and said, ‘Don’t let him speak to you like that.’
So we got a couple guys trying to hold her hand. meh. And one guy grabbed her butt and another man told him to stop. Not nice but he was immediately told to stop.
I dont see the giant unwilling groping party that has been alleged here.
So that IS the basis for your claim. What a shitty, stupid claim it is.
First, your claim that there have been no complaints for decades is completely unsourced. There have been no ARTICLES about it. Had you watched the interview that someone else (not me) linked to, you’d see that the police HAVE had complaints about it. Second, “muck raking journalist” is a term of honor, not an insult: muck, when it exists, should be raked. Third, “without a single source”? What sort of bullshit is this even?
I’ve got an uneasy relationship with the phrase “rape culture,” thinking sometimes it’s used overbroadly; but this quote right here is a prime example of the hegemonic power of rape culture.
So, when I dissect your post and all it come out to is a couple guys wanting to hold hands and one, count 'em one - jerk who was promptly told off by the other men- you fall back upon name calling and vague generalizations. Yep, hand holding leads to rape culture. :rolleyes:
