# Prime Minister Boris Johnson tries to lead the UK but has resigned on July 7, 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 30, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872 "2019-07-30T14:24:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1402 "2023-07-13T07:11:53Z")
And she’s _still_ complaining about not getting her peerage. Still doesn’t see that threatening to thwceam and thwceam until she’s _sick_ really doesn’t work with the Tory grandees. > **[Nadine Dorries reported to speaker over ‘forceful’ emails about peerage](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/12/nadine-dorries-may-face-inquiry-over-forceful-emails-about-denied-peerage-boris-johnson)** > > Cabinet secretary seeks advice on whether MP’s complaints breached Honours (Prevention of Abuses) Act ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1403 "2023-07-13T11:23:17Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > And she’s _still_ complaining about not getting her peerage. Still doesn’t see that threatening to thwceam and thwceam until she’s _sick_ really doesn’t work with the Tory grandees > > [Nadine Dorries reported to speaker over ‘forceful’ emails about peerage | Nadine Dorries | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/12/nadine-dorries-may-face-inquiry-over-forceful-emails-about-denied-peerage-boris-johnson) So, if I understand this, this MP is throwing a temper tantrum because she hasn’t been given a meaningless title? What is she, twelve? American here, so I’m not as versed on British politics, but getting a peerage just means the King gives her a silk ribbon and she gets to call herself “Dame”, right? Is there anything substantive here? Or is it political? Is the snub a message, and that’s what’s put the stick up her butt? ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1404 "2023-07-13T11:42:05Z")
The genteel British who aspire to being granted a title do not put a stick up their butt. They are far more discrete, using a thumb up the bum in this sort of situation. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1405 "2023-07-13T11:45:42Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > So, if I understand this, this MP is throwing a temper tantrum because she hasn’t been given a meaningless title? What is she, twelve? American here, so I’m not as versed on British politics, but getting a peerage just means the King gives her a silk ribbon and she gets to call herself “Dame”, right? Is there anything substantive here? Or is it political? Is the snub a message, and that’s what’s put the stick up her butt? “Baroness” or “Lady”, not Dame. It gets you a permanent seat in the House of Lords, which grants you £332 per day attendance allowance, plus travel and lunch, plus the opportunity to still serve as a Cabinet Minister in the government, should you be chosen. Plus debate legislation. And probably gets you a load of non-exec, highly paid board seats. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1406 "2023-07-13T14:26:34Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > > > So, if I understand this, this MP is throwing a temper tantrum because she hasn’t been given a meaningless title? What is she, twelve? American here, so I’m not as versed on British politics, but getting a peerage just means the King gives her a silk ribbon and she gets to call herself “Dame”, right? Is there anything substantive here? Or is it political? Is the snub a message, and that’s what’s put the stick up her butt? > > “Baroness” or “Lady”, not Dame. It gets you a permanent seat in the House of Lords, which grants you £332 per day attendance allowance, plus travel and lunch, plus the opportunity to still serve as a Cabinet Minister in the government, should you be chosen. Plus debate legislation. And probably gets you a load of non-exec, highly paid board seats Okay, so there is some _actual_, tangible benefit to having the King whack you with a sword. That’s a little more understandable. She still sounds a bit petty and narcissistic, though. (Also, I thought ex-MPs just got OBEs or MBEs?) ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1407 "2023-07-13T14:36:44Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Okay, so there is some _actual_, tangible benefit to having the King whack you with a sword. There’s no sword, just a piece of paper. I don’t think there’s even any personal element to it, it’s just paperwork that comes across the King’s desk. Women never get whacked with swords in any case; knights receive the accolade, but dames are a 20th century invention and they just get a couple of shiny things pinned to them. > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > (Also, I thought ex-MPs just got OBEs or MBEs?) Nadine Dorries was a cabinet minister, and it’s pretty common for them to be sent to the Lords if they want it. Sometimes it’s also a prize for long service or being especially loyal to the PM (which Nadine Dorries also was). ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1408 "2023-07-13T15:02:19Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > She still sounds a bit petty and narcissistic, though. Oh yes, you’ve got her 100% right. > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > (Also, I thought ex-MPs just got OBEs or MBEs?) OBEs, MBEs, Knighthoods, the odd peerage (ie elevation to the House of Lords and a VERY fancy title). Personally, I’m rather envious of the French. We just never had the revolution that would have allowed us to sweep all this nonsense away. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1409 "2023-07-13T15:11:36Z")
Mad Nad resigned “with immediate effect” on June 9th 2023. > **[Nadine Dorries stands down as MP with immediate effect](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/09/nadine-dorries-stands-down-as-mp-with-immediate-effect)** > > Tory former minister’s decision to go means there will be a byelection in her Mid Bedfordshire constituency She’s still there… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1410 "2023-07-13T15:15:32Z")
One wonders what she did for Boris in return for the promise of that peerage. But not too hard, because that way lies madness. ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1411 "2023-07-13T15:41:55Z")
🤮please, I’m about to have dinner. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1412 "2023-07-13T16:04:38Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > So, if I understand this, this MP is throwing a temper tantrum because she hasn’t been given a meaningless title? What is she, twelve? American here, so I’m not as versed on British politics, but getting a peerage just means the King gives her a silk ribbon and she gets to call herself “Dame”, right? Is there anything substantive here? Or is it political? Is the snub a message, and that’s what’s put the stick up her butt? I don’t think you grasp how class-obsessed the British still are. Human beings crave respect as much as they crave money and sex, if not more, and in Britain, having a “Lord” or “Lady” in front of your name gives you automatic respect in many circles. It’s as simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1413 "2023-07-14T13:01:55Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > Personally, I’m rather envious of the French. We just never had the revolution that would have allowed us to sweep all this nonsense away. The Légion d’Honneur isn’t entirely without gradations of status > **[Legion of Honour](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Honour)** > > The National Order of the Legion of Honour (French: Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur \[ɔʁdʁ nɑsjɔnal də la leʒjɔ̃ dɔnœʁ\]), formerly the Royal Order of the Legion of Honour (Ordre royal de la Légion d'honneur), is the highest French order of merit, both military and civil. Established in 1802 by Napoleon Bonaparte, it has been retained (with occasional slight alterations) by all later French governments and regimes. > The order's motto is Honneur et Patrie ("Honour and Fatherland"); its seat ... But I agree that the House of Lords needs to be replaced: the devil’s in deciding how to reconcile different objectives in defining what comes next. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1414 "2023-07-14T13:20:06Z")
Meanwhile, the government lost its attempt to be allowed to decide which of Johnson’s phone messages were “relevant” to the Covid public enquiry: and Johnson first apparently “forgot” the password to the phone in question - but it now appears the government has found it > **[The Mystery Of Boris Johnson's iPhone Password May Have Been Solved](https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/mystery-boris-johnsons-iphone-password-084633424.html)** > > The Covid inquiry could now finally get its hands on the ex-PM's WhatsApps. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1415 "2023-07-15T18:05:50Z")
Anyone want to guess what his password might have been? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1416 "2023-07-16T03:52:39Z")
I’m gonna go with either “Password” or “Boris123.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1417 "2023-07-16T03:55:49Z")
Not “Coke-now!” ? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1418 "2023-07-17T21:50:07Z")
Also possible, although the hyphen might’ve thrown him. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1419 "2023-07-18T16:57:06Z")
Is this a reference to cocaine? I know it would have meant Coca-Cola if we’d been talking about Trump, but Johnson doesn’t seem like a soft drinks guy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Wallaby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/dc4da7/32.png) [@Wallaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallaby)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1420 "2023-07-18T21:54:07Z")
58008 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872/1421 "2023-07-19T00:27:16Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Is this a reference to cocaine? There have been rumours about the parties during covid time … Also during some of the parties that Truss held. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prime-minister-boris-johnson-tries-to-lead-the-uk-but-has-resigned-on-july-7-2022/837872.md?page=72)