# Prince Andrew to lose HRH and military titles - just breaking (01-13-21) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 13, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735 "2022-01-13T17:25:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/1 "2022-01-13T17:25:59Z")
Woah this is big. I’ve just had a BBC alert on my phone. Nothing on any news site yet 9including the BBC). Ah, this just posted. No further info yet: > **[Prince Andrew loses military titles and use of HRH](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59987935)** > > It comes as the prince faces a US civil case over claims he sexually assaulted a woman when she was 17. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/2 "2022-01-13T17:44:51Z")
I hope he ends up facing real consequences too ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/3 "2022-01-13T17:51:52Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I hope he ends up facing real consequences too He might just - I wasn’t expecting this sort of development at all. Woah indeed. j ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/4 "2022-01-13T17:55:42Z")
It looks like he will have to finance the case himself too. The Queen is not going to bail him out financially. At least, I assume that’s what’s implied by saying he will be “defending this case as a private citizen”. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/5 "2022-01-13T17:56:08Z")
He’s now Mr. Edward to you. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/6 "2022-01-13T18:00:22Z")
Well, that’s a horse of another color. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/7 "2022-01-13T18:05:43Z")
Good grief, the Royals are dropping (titles) like flies! ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/8 "2022-01-13T18:14:19Z")
He will still be a prince, but will do no public appearances under the auspices of The Crown. Military titles gone, no more things to be patron of. I don’t know if he’s guilty (I’m not following the story), but at least ERII is making him face this on his own. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/9 "2022-01-13T18:54:18Z")
Considering the title Duke of York (along with Earl of Inverness and Baron Kellyleagh) will revert to the Crown anyways upon his death, can ER2 strip him of those titles? Or would it take an act of Parliament? And if Parliament did that, is there any chance she would refuse Royal Assent? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/10 "2022-01-13T19:09:40Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > He might just - I wasn’t expecting this sort of development at all. Woah indeed. The UK isn’t going to extradite him. This is a PR move. An understandable one, but that’s all it is. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/11 "2022-01-13T19:14:08Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The UK isn’t going to extradite him As far as I know, he’s just being sued civilly, not charged with a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/12 "2022-01-13T19:14:29Z")
The article linked to in the OP says “ **loses** military titles and patronages.” Other news sources say essentially the same thing but use different words in their headlines: “renounces,” “gives up,” “stripped of,” etc. Which in my mind change the connotations a little, making it sound more voluntary or less voluntary on his part. ---
**Author:** ![cytop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f17d59/32.png) [@cytop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cytop)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/13 "2022-01-13T19:18:23Z")
The honorary titles are granted by the Queen so can be removed without bothering parliament who have their own problems at the moment. But, of course, Andrew could simply have said ‘Take them, take them all…’. Another thing reported recently is the good PA was [sued in Switzerland over a debt of £5m](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/11/prince-andrew-sell-swiss-chalet) - I thought that story would have more legs rather than simply ‘disappearing’… ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/14 "2022-01-13T19:27:39Z")
Interesting this hit the news the same time as this: > **[Who's Sweating Now? Ghislaine Maxwell Ends Fight to Keep John Doe Names Sealed](https://www.mediaite.com/news/whos-sweating-now-ghislaine-maxwell-ends-fight-to-keep-john-doe-names-sealed/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark)** > > A whole lot of John Does are likely more nervous this morning. At issue? Virginia Giuffre's request to unseal documents that name names in her since-settled civil lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell, which led to a lengthy and ongoing open-records... What are the odds one of the John Does has the surname Windsor? ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/15 "2022-01-13T19:36:22Z")
If you want some insight into a story like this, the place to go is The Spectator, because they have contacts in royal circles. [https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-decline-and-fall-of-prince-andrew/amp](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-decline-and-fall-of-prince-andrew/amp) > **[Prince Andrew's royal excommunication is complete](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-s-royal-excommunication-is-complete/)** > > Prince Andrew has been well and truly cut adrift. By his only family. From birth, he was styled His Royal Highness. He will go to his grave unencumbered by it. The removal of the style HRH, at the age of 61, will hurt a son of the Queen who doesn’t... ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/16 "2022-01-13T19:44:15Z")
The statement from the Palace says that he is defending himself as a “private citizen,” but what private resources does he have in order to pay for all of that? Isn’t all of his income tied to his duties as a royal? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/17 "2022-01-13T19:49:06Z")
I won’t say he doesn’t belong there, but he’s joining a mighty tall stack of bodies they’ve thrown under that same bus. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/18 "2022-01-13T19:59:57Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > making it sound more voluntary or less voluntary on his part. As voluntary as your boss giving you the option to resign. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/19 "2022-01-13T20:02:05Z")
If you follow **cytop** ’s link about his Swiss debt, you’ll see that he’s selling an £18 million chalet, which is speculated to be in order to pay upcoming legal fees. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/20 "2022-01-13T20:18:01Z")
Good. Now abolish all hereditary monarchies worldwide. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735.md?page=2)