# Prince Andrew to lose HRH and military titles - just breaking (01-13-21) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 13, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735 "2022-01-13T17:25:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/101 "2022-01-17T04:34:35Z")
Yes, I knew someone at the school at that time. Apparently Andy’s antics included an encounter on a pool table … ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/102 "2022-01-17T04:41:38Z")
On a pool table? The jokes write themselves, but I’ll refrain. I’ll just say that based on my co-worker’s anecdotes, it doesn’t surprise me a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/103 "2022-01-17T06:06:06Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > It was Lakefield College School, a private boys’ school in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Yes, I knew someone at the school at that time. Why was Prince Andrew going to high school in Canada? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/104 "2022-01-17T06:08:50Z")
The version I heard was that the school admin tried to land him, since they are a well-known boys’ boarding school, and that Andrew was interested in Canada. Beyond that, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![cytop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f17d59/32.png) [@cytop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cytop)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/105 "2022-01-17T06:10:30Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Why was Prince Andrew going to high school in Canada? Exchange program while at Gordonstoun … Wikipedia: "…In September 1973, he entered Gordonstoun, in northern Scotland, which his father and elder brother had also attended. While there, he spent six months—from January to June 1977—participating in an exchange programme to Lakefield College School in Canada.! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/106 "2022-01-17T06:14:02Z")
The version I heard was that the Queen and Prince Philip wanted to give their sons a more “Commonwealth” education. Charles had been educated at his father’s school (Gordonstoun) in the UK, but the Queen recognized that the UK was no longer the centre of the universe. And so, Andrew was sent to Canada (part of the Commonwealth), and later, Edward would go to New Zealand (also part of the Commonwealth). ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/107 "2022-01-17T06:20:25Z")
Well, Lakefield College School isn’t that well-known by Toronto’s movers and shakers. They much prefer that their kids go to Upper Canada College, St. George’s, or Crescent (boys), or Branksome Hall, Havergal, or Bishop Strachan (girls). ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/108 "2022-01-17T13:45:57Z")
Kind of an interesting anecdote, but a teenaged boy being a raging horndog is not exactly a novelty. ETA: I suppose his mother and father might have thought it unseemly, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/109 "2022-01-17T13:50:06Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Why was Prince Andrew going to high school in Canada? - Canada lost the coin toss. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/110 "2022-01-17T14:06:35Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Andrew was always on the prowl for women, and often succeeded in getting them. Apparently, he did a lot better at that, than a lot of us similarly-aged high school guys did. It’s good to be a Prince! ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/111 "2022-01-17T14:09:47Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Kind of an interesting anecdote, but a teenaged boy being a raging horndog is not exactly a novelty. > > ETA: I suppose his mother and father might have thought it unseemly, I suppose. Had he stopped in high school or college then I’m sure he wouldn’t have gotten the nickname. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/112 "2022-01-17T16:08:02Z")
Eight John Does will soon be unmasked. John’s, that seems appropriate. Prince Andrew is low hanging fruit compared to other people that may be named. He doesn’t have any real political power. His royal family has kicked him off the gravy train. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ghislaine-maxwell-ends-fight-to-protect-men-involved-with-epstein-names-could-be-revealed/ar-AASNPlA](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ghislaine-maxwell-ends-fight-to-protect-men-involved-with-epstein-names-could-be-revealed/ar-AASNPlA) ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/113 "2022-01-17T16:34:43Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I once worked with a guy who had gone to high school with Prince Andrew. This would have been the late 1970s. > > It was Lakefield College School, a private boys’ school in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. Technically, in the village of Lakefield, _just north_ of Peterborough, Ontario. (Cite: lived in Peterborough and passed by the school many times on the way up Highway 28.) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/114 "2022-01-17T16:49:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Canada lost the coin toss. Funny! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/115 "2022-01-17T17:10:41Z")
Apparently this is Virginia Giuffre’s third lawsuit? She went after Epstein in 2009 and got a settlement. Then Maxwell is sued in 2016. I assume the 8 John Does provided a substantial settlement. Now Prince Andrew will probably pay a settlement. Virginia Giuffre is a victim. I’m a bit uncomfortable with her constant litigation. I have a feeling someone else will be sued in a few years. > **[A federal court just released the settlement deal between Epstein and Giuffre](https://www.npr.org/2022/01/03/1069887001/jeffrey-epstein-virginia-giuffre-settlement-deal)** > > The settlement between Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Giuffre, one of his accusers, is emerging less than a week after his longtime partner Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty of sex trafficking a minor. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/116 "2022-01-17T17:17:00Z")
I feel a bit uncomfortable it’s taken this long for the authorities to actually go after all the perps. If that requires 100 lawsuits, that says more about a broken system of justice than a victim’s litigious nature. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/117 "2022-01-17T17:17:06Z")
His place in the line of succession is pretty much irrelevant by now. Seven folks would have to drop dead to put him in the position of heir. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/118 "2022-01-17T17:30:53Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m a bit uncomfortable with her constant litigation. Why? If I were her I’d be trying to nail all these people to the wall as often and as hard as I could. Epstein famously got off essentially free in 2008 with a non-prosecution agreement. This was done without the victims having being informed ahead of time, which was eventually determined to have been illegal. She’s been trying to nail these people ever since. Prince Andrew first came up in 2014, but it was from documents dating back to when they were preparing the Criminal Victims Rights Act case in 2008 filed after Epstein was allowed to walk. This is nothing new, really - it just has been a long, winding road to unravel Epstein’s sleazy little empire. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/119 "2022-01-17T17:42:19Z")
Epstein and Maxwell were the ones that recruited Giuffre, flew her around the world, and introduced her to their influential friends (allegedly for sex). Epstein and Maxwell both paid settlements. The 8 unnamed men probably paid too. Epstein is dead and Maxwell will probably spend decades in prison. It seems like the guilty have been punished and Justice served. I completely agree with this outcome. Giuffre was victimized primarily by Epstein and Maxwell. Isn’t their a difference in getting justice and profiteering? I don’t know where that line can be drawn. But it’s somewhere in this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/120 "2022-01-17T18:49:18Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It seems like the guilty have been punished and Justice served. Giuffre claims that Andrew is guilty of sexual assault on her and has in the past accused him of participating in an orgy that included multiple underage girls (not part of the current suit). If this is true Andrew is guilty, has not been sufficiently punished and justice has not yet been fully served. She could be profiteering, it’s true. Andrew may have hooked up with her entirely legally or even not at all. But Andrew does not exactly ooze innocence, his name came up early in all of these investigations and we know factually Giuffre was abused by folks Andrew hung out with. I’m fine with seeing where this goes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735.md?page=7)