# Prince Andrew to lose HRH and military titles - just breaking (01-13-21) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 13, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735 "2022-01-13T17:25:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/161 "2022-02-16T19:33:11Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It’s because confidentiality is both a professional responsibility, and good business practice, for law firms. Yes. In addition, there is often a **severe** penalty clause for breaching the confidentiality provisions. Defendants sometimes put in language that even requires the entire settlement amount to be paid back if the confidentiality is breached. (Most plaintiffs would never agree to that, but it’s an example of what I’m talking about) ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/162 "2022-02-16T23:35:19Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Can news organizations in the US/UK publish the info if someone were to leak it to them? The British press usually doesn’t care about such trivialities. And if they don’t have the numbers, they’ll just make them up. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/163 "2022-02-16T23:55:36Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Defendants sometimes put in language that even requires the entire settlement amount to be paid back if the confidentiality is breached. At first I thought this was a good idea, until I realized the defendant could contrive a way to leak the info, thus getting all their money back. Is that a credible scenario? > [@Procrustus](#): > > In addition, there is often a **severe** penalty clause for breaching the confidentiality provisions. If it leaks from a law office, is the penalty monetary or strictly punitive, like suspension of license or something similar? > [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > The British press usually doesn’t care about such trivialities. And if they don’t have the numbers, they’ll just make them up. Yeah, I touched on that above where, at the time I read them, the UK tabloids had numbers all over the place on their covers. The US sources I had read up to that point never mentioned any amounts. I assume US outlets are probably quoting all the guesses from places like _The Daily Mail_ by now. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/164 "2022-02-17T00:06:56Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > Defendants sometimes put in language that even requires the entire settlement amount to be paid back if the confidentiality is breached. > > At first I thought this was a good idea, until I realized the defendant could contrive a way to leak the info, thus getting all their money back. Is that a credible scenario? > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > In addition, there is often a **severe** penalty clause for breaching the confidentiality provisions. > > If it leaks from a law office, is the penalty monetary or strictly punitive, like suspension of license or something similar? 1. Generally, they’d have to prove who leaked it. Stupid plaintiffs posting on social media, or something like that. Just the fact that the information got out wouldn’t be enough to prove a breach of the deal. I’ve never had a client accused of violating a confidentiality agreement. (Liquidated damages provisions are not favored either, and have to be reasonable. I could see a judge enforcing a $10,000 or $20,000 penalty for violation, but I wouldn’t expect a rescission of the whole deal.) 2. I’ve never seen it happen, but I can imagine the possibility of a bar sanction for disclosing confidential information. Confidentiality agreements are common (too common, in my opinion) Violations of them are very, very rare. You’d expect more, but I guess people take them very seriously. (and most plaintiffs are perfectly happy not telling the world how much money they just recovered) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/165 "2022-02-17T01:25:30Z")
Virginia Giuffre didn’t sign a NDA. I expect a book and movie deal within a year. It’s interesting that Andrew can not publicly deny the charges. > [@](#): > > The agreement, thought to be worth £12 million, bars both parties from discussing the case or the financial terms of its settlement for a period of time, according to the paper. > > However, that bar may only last until the end of the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee, _The Telegraph_ continues, suggesting Ms Giuffre may eventually be able to continue speaking publicly about what happened, or collect her recollections in a book or film. > **[Prince Andrew won’t claim he didn’t rape Virginia Giuffre after settlement:...](https://news.yahoo.com/prince-andrew-agrees-not-repeat-223543372.html)** > > Virginia Roberts Giuffre expected to give statement at Ghislaine Maxwell sentencing ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/166 "2022-02-17T08:37:46Z")
Thanks no @Northern_Piper and @Procrustus for all the law related answers, they helped a lot. I understand why so many cases are settled out of court or have plea deals, but it irks me a bit that being wealthy or having a wealthy family, let’s you buy your way out of trouble. From the sounds of it, at least Andrew can’t claim publicly that he didn’t rape Giuffre anymore. She must have had a hell of a bargaining position. I see there is a bit of noise in the UK about whether public monies will be used to help pay this off. Money being fungible, I’m not sure you could really tell where it originally comes from. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/167 "2022-02-17T09:18:09Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > I understand why so many cases are settled out of court or have plea deals, but it irks me a bit that being wealthy or having a wealthy family, let’s you buy your way out of trouble. Generally, the people who don’t have those resources are much less likely to get sued in the first place, and if they do get sued, a commensurate number of zeroes will get knocked off of any expectations on the other side. The risks here were (A) prolonged bad publicity, which normal people aren’t exposed to and (B) having to pay a huge amount of money, which normal people don’t have. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/168 "2022-02-17T15:11:24Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Generally, they’d have to prove who leaked it. Stupid plaintiffs posting on social media, or something like that. Just the fact that the information got out wouldn’t be enough to prove a breach of the deal. I’ve never had a client accused of violating a confidentiality agreement. (Liquidated damages provisions are not favored either, and have to be reasonable. I could see a judge enforcing a $10,000 or $20,000 penalty for violation, but I wouldn’t expect a rescission of the whole deal.) As soon as I saw your post, I remembered [this](https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/02/us/facebook-post-costs-father/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/169 "2022-02-17T15:12:34Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > As soon as I saw your post, I remembered [this](https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/02/us/facebook-post-costs-father/index.html) Yeah, that’s what I was thinking of too. As I stated, this almost never happens. I’m sure people tell their best friends, etc., but no one cares if it doesn’t get out more broadly. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/170 "2022-02-17T15:36:30Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > She must have had a hell of a bargaining position. Probably true, but also I suspect that Liz told him to get off his high horse about “clearing his name” at trial, and told him in no uncertain terms to settle at whatever terms he could get. And she’s his bankroll. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/171 "2022-02-17T19:15:01Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > As soon as I saw your post, I remembered [this](https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/02/us/facebook-post-costs-father/index.html) Great example. I wonder if the parents are still deducting it from her allowance? 😉 > [@Riemann](#): > > Probably true, but also I suspect that Liz told him to get off his high horse about “clearing his name” at trial, and told him in no uncertain terms to settle at whatever terms he could get. And she’s his bankroll. Yeah, there’s a lot of reporting she wanted this over before her jubilee this year. When you control the purse strings, you pretty much call the shots. > [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Generally, the people who don’t have those resources are much less likely to get sued in the first place, and if they do get sued, a commensurate number of zeroes will get knocked off of any expectations on the other side. In the US, there seem to be quite a few suits like this that are job related that end up being settled for much smaller amounts. I assume you don’t have that a lot over there because of your different labor laws. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/172 "2022-02-19T22:10:50Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Well, y’know, one night in Bangkok and the world’s your oyster… It does make a, er, hard man humble. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/173 "2022-03-08T21:56:01Z")
[The case has been settled.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/prince-andrew-case-dismissed-stipulation/story?id=83317636) Or so it seems. ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/174 "2022-09-12T18:35:36Z")
What is Prince Andrew’s status now? I take it Charles was furious with Andrew so maybe he’s persona non grata from now on? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/175 "2022-09-12T18:40:49Z")
Charles probably was a big part of the discussions and decision making on what was done with Andy. Andy won’t be getting any of his rank and privilege back and, if anything, it will get worse for him. Note that one of his daughters got an effective promotion so it is him and him alone who suffers. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/176 "2022-09-12T20:28:31Z")
He’ll live out his days in a grace and favour cottage with just enough of an allowance to keep him out of sight. Also him and Fergie are charged with caring for the Queen’s surviving dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/177 "2022-09-12T20:57:37Z")
As a fuck-you, Charles should name him Duke of Windsor. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/178 "2022-09-12T21:46:01Z")
The Tower of London is there for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/179 "2022-09-12T21:53:02Z")
Might be legal issues with that these days. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735/180 "2022-09-12T21:55:02Z")
Heck of a tourist attraction if they can pull it off, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-andrew-to-lose-hrh-and-military-titles-just-breaking-01-13-21/957735.md?page=10)