# Prince Dead at 57 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** celebrity-death\ **Created:** [April 21, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828 "2016-04-21T16:54:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/261 "2016-06-04T02:13:10Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > @ Why Not > > I’ll try to answer your questions, as I believe you to be sincere. Trying to see if I can post a pic of my x–rays without using an image tag. > Can you help? Pix aren’t allowed here but you can post up a link to an image hosted elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/262 "2016-06-04T02:23:13Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > Pix aren’t allowed here but you can post up a link to an image hosted elsewhere. I have servers all over the world, sir, but I will not divulge my true identity. This site is vastly lacking. I’ll post later when I can shield my server’s ID. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/263 "2016-06-04T02:32:02Z")
> [@JayRx1981](#): > > There’s a difference between potency and strength. This difference is a key for understanding why commercials for, say, Ibuprofen (Motrin/Advil) or Naproxen Sodium (Aleve) never say they’re the strongest, they say nothing OTC is stronger…because, aside from differences in individual patients, the OTC doses recommended in their OTC labeling are roughly equal in the strength of relief they provide, with the major difference being driven more by the kinetics of drug absorption/metabolism/elimination than it is a superiority of one drug over the other. Dilaudid (hydromorphone) at 2mg orally isn’t stronger than morphine at 8mg–they’re roughly equal in their relief of pain at that point. Dilaudid just happens to be more potent (meaning it takes a smaller amount of the drug to achieve the same effect as 8mg of morphine or 5mg of oxycodone, which roughly translates to 7.5mg of morphine). Potency is a (sometimes) useful comparator of drugs within a class, but is rarely useful beyond that comparison. Thank you. You said that way better than I managed to sort of allude to. Have I mentioned how much I love pharmacists lately? ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/264 "2016-06-04T02:32:32Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > Sir… or Ms, > > 10 mg is weak. I currently am prescribed 30mg of IM Oxycodone- 4 times daily - 120 mg per day; 120 tablets per month. > > You do not know what you’re talking about. Well, I’m a pharmacist who has extensively studied the opioid issue (having read the ASIPP, VA/DOD, APS/AAPM, ICSI, Canadian, UK, and CDC opioid guidelines, on top of a textbook of neurology, psychopharmacology, and neural science), and no, WhyNot is NOT wrong. I’m going to assume you meant IR (immediate release), not IM (intramuscular), for your oxycodone and 120mg of Oxycodone is roughly 180mg in morphine equivalence, putting you conservatively at over 8-9x the risk of overdose vs those at 0-19mg Morphine equivalence without ANY studies I’ve been able to find showing that higher doses are better. And I can pull cites to back up my assertions. > [@btcg](#): > > Let me add: If you take your meds as prescribed… they’ll work. > > Treat em like candy and guess what? Given the effects of opioids on Toll-like Receptor 4 in the ventrolateral periaqueductal gray area of the brain, and the rapid development of tolerance thanks to said receptors, I’m going to go with no, there’s no guarantee that if you take as prescribed that they’ll (continue to) work, at least indefinitely. Opioids are not the panacea people believe them to be and have been linked to development of hyperalgesic states (normally painful stimuli evoke an even greater pain response) and allodynic states (normally non-painful stimuli, such as a light touch, evoke pain instead–think sunburned skin versus non-sunburned skin). ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/265 "2016-06-04T02:38:46Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Thank you. You said that way better than I managed to sort of allude to. Have I mentioned how much I love pharmacists lately? Happy to oblige, and frankly, our medical system would collapse without the dedication and care nurses provide, so much love to you and other nurses as well. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/266 "2016-06-04T02:56:58Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > I have servers all over the world, sir, but I will not divulge my true identity. > > This site is vastly lacking. I’ll post later when I can shield my server’s ID. If only there were third-party organizations, perhaps with servers all over the world, who would allow anonymous image hosting. If only. _If only…_ ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/267 "2016-06-04T02:59:59Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > This site is vastly lacking. I’ll post later when I can shield my server’s ID. Alternatively, you can upload an image to somewhere like Imgur, Flickr, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/268 "2016-06-04T03:23:54Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > Why do you think he was taking drugs to “get high”? I didn’t say that - you stated that in post 246. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/269 "2016-06-04T03:29:34Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Thank you. Have I mentioned how much I love pharmacists lately? @ YN [http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY2FydGRlc2lnbnMuY29tL25lY2suanBn&f=norefer](http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY2FydGRlc2lnbnMuY29tL25lY2suanBn&f=norefer) Take a look… my lower back is worse. BTW- you and the other guy are 180 degrees from what my doctors say… but hey, they’re wrong, not you two, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/270 "2016-06-04T03:31:27Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > You do not know what you’re talking about. Apparently you are unaware you are addressing a medical professional and, as she noted, a pain management specialist who deals with these issues for a living. What are YOUR medical credentials? > [@btcg](#): > > I’ll try to answer your questions, as I believe you to be sincere. Trying to see if I can post a pic of my x–rays without using an image tag. Oh, I see - you’re a _patient_, not a medically trained person. Well, I think those of us reading know how to weight your posts vs. **WhyNot’s** and **JayRx1981’s** > [@btcg](#): > > I have servers all over the world, sir, but I will not divulge my true identity. > > This site is vastly lacking. I’ll post later when I can shield my server’s ID. After a statement like that I sincerely doubt that you are any sort of programmer. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/271 "2016-06-04T03:35:14Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > @ YN > > [http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY2FydGRlc2lnbnMuY29tL25lY2suanBn&f=norefer](http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY2FydGRlc2lnbnMuY29tL25lY2suanBn&f=norefer) > > Take a look… my lower back is worse. > > BTW- you and the other guy are 180 degrees from what my doctors say… but hey, they’re wrong, not you two, eh? We could get some more docs in here, there are a half dozen or so MD’s on this site. Based on past threads I expect they’ll side with \*\*WhyNot \*\*and **JayRx1981** over you. Honestly, pharmacists frequently have a better understanding of drugs than doctors do, don’t know why you’d doubt **JayRx1981’s** statements. Also, your link doesn’t work. No one wants to deal with a bunch of BS just to see your x-rays. Either post the image openly or don’t bother. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/272 "2016-06-04T03:35:18Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > I have servers all over the world, sir, but I will not divulge my true identity. _No!_ You can’t just leave me here, teetering on the end of my stool! ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/273 "2016-06-04T03:35:41Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I didn’t say that - you stated that in post 246. Should I type slower? You posted something absurd… so I go no further, and you did so after I was especially nice to you. But… forget it… what the heck. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/274 "2016-06-04T03:36:57Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > @ YN > > [http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY2FydGRlc2lnbnMuY29tL25lY2suanBn&f=norefer](http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vY2FydGRlc2lnbnMuY29tL25lY2suanBn&f=norefer) > > Take a look… my lower back is worse. > > BTW- you and the other guy are 180 degrees from what my doctors say… but hey, they’re wrong, not you two, eh? My link works. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/275 "2016-06-04T03:38:01Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > _No!_ You can’t just leave me here, teetering on the end of my stool! I’m counting on your experience. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/276 "2016-06-04T03:44:05Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > You posted something absurd… so I go no further, and you did so after I was especially nice to you. I’m puzzled why you seem to think that you either have to be “especially nice” to me, or that it in any way impacts my opinions and viewpoints. I am not here to partake in a popularity contest, I’m here to discuss interesting topics and events. Your statements have been questioned by medical professionals. Why should I take your word over theirs? ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/277 "2016-06-04T03:45:01Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I’m puzzled why you seem to think that you either have to be “especially nice” to me, or that it in any way impacts my opinions and viewpoints. I am not here to partake in a popularity contest, I’m here to discuss interesting topics and events. > > Your statements have been questioned by medical professionals. Why should I take your word over theirs? Did you bother to look at my x-rays? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/278 "2016-06-04T03:45:20Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > My link works. No, it doesn’t - it goes to site rather than an image, and requires further BS to (supposedly) get to said picture. Why should I bother? I don’t find such games amusing. Do you think any of us give a damn about your “real identity”? ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/279 "2016-06-04T03:49:27Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Your statements have been questioned by medical professionals. Why should I take your word over theirs? Missed this: they’re questioned by YOU guys… who I believe are orderly’s, at best. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828/280 "2016-06-04T03:50:49Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > No, it doesn’t - it goes to site rather than an image, and requires further BS to (supposedly) get to said picture. Why should I bother? I don’t find such games amusing. > > Do you think any of us give a damn about your “real identity”? Worked for me. Just a picture, nothing extraneous. :shrug: > [@btcg](#): > > Did you bother to look at my x-rays? Looks like my wife’s including the hardware. Though your vertebrae and and discs look to be in much better shape. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-dead-at-57/752828.md?page=15)