# Prince Harry on 60 Minutes — what’s his story? Good guy? Spoiled brat? What? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908 "2023-01-09T07:33:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/281 "2023-05-18T18:52:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Is it because it highlights what a scum-bag argument you were making? I have no confidence that you can accurately explain what argument I was making. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/282 "2023-05-18T18:54:53Z")
That’s fair - you’re famously bad at communicating your actual point. Trying to figure out what you “really” mean in any given conversation is a crapshoot. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/283 "2023-05-18T18:56:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > What the ever-living fuck did you think the “this” in their post was, if _not_ the car chase.? The “this” was an incidental reference to a situation that provides an opportunity for further criticism of the couple. Which was clearly the main point of the post and the part that I responded to. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/284 "2023-05-18T18:59:21Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That’s fair - you’re famously bad at communicating your actual point. Trying to figure out what you “really” mean in any given conversation is a crapshoot. It is there in black and white, repeated multiple times. I have zero confidence that you will ever admit as much. this was the first point I made and it hasn’t changed > If you choose to live in the public eye and put yourself forward as a public celebrity then you are going to get attention both good and bad. You shouldn’t expect to be the recipient of purely positive publicity and opinion. > > There are other people, much more famous and relevant than these two, who manage to live quiet private lives. If that was what they wanted they could do it too. let me know which bit you need clarification on ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/285 "2023-05-18T19:07:13Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > It is there in black and white, repeated multiple times. Yes, and? You write a lot of shitty opinions, people call you out on your shitty opinions, and you whine, “That’s not what _really_ meant!” Despite what you wrote being right there in, as you say, black and white. So when I say that this part here is a scumbag opinion: > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > If you choose to live in the public eye and put yourself forward as a public celebrity then you are going to get attention both good and bad. You shouldn’t expect to be the recipient of purely positive publicity and opinion. …I’m basing that on what you actually said, with the full expectation that I will shortly receive a condescending lecture about how what you said was different from what you meant. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/286 "2023-05-18T19:28:43Z")
Nope, no lecture. If there is anything about that pretty straighforward position that you don’t understand just ask. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/287 "2023-05-18T20:24:13Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > The “this” was an incidental reference What’s that sound? _ledap ledap ledap_ You said : > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > You didn’t talk about harrassment No mention there of “incidental”. Obvious ass-covering is obvious. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Which was clearly the main point of the post Gyrate, I think, gets to say what the main point of their own post was, not you. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > the part that I responded to. The voices in your head, you mean? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/288 "2023-05-18T20:43:27Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > edap ledap ledap What the fuck is that supposed to be? Obviously I meant _ladep ladep ladep._ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/289 "2023-05-18T22:25:46Z")
No, I understood it just fine. You’ve made it very clear that they were asking for this to happen to them, and that if the dirty attention whores didn’t want to be attacked by strangers they shouldn’t have gone out in public like that. I apologize for the accuracy of the metaphor. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/290 "2023-05-19T00:52:11Z")
Living life as a celebrity might be asking for public opinion, both good and bad, but it certainly is not asking to be harassed. How does someone even come to the conclusion that it is? ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/291 "2023-05-19T01:07:43Z")
It seems to me that Novelty and company simply do not like this particular couple. I’m sure their opinions might be different if it had been a couple that they liked. It confuses me that people complain about having to hear about Harry and Megan yet rush here to read about them and post about how they don’t want to hear about them anymore. There are celebrities that I don’t particularly like, but I do not think they’re “asking for” this sort of harassment. Obviously, YMMV ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/292 "2023-05-19T05:11:57Z")
So what is the incentive for paparazzi to chase them around anyhow? Yes they are famous people but we already know what they look like and seeing a recent picture of them that some aggressive photographer had to put people in danger in order to get does not benefit my life in any particular way. Do the paparazzi get paid for “the” photo? If so, is that why they chase after celebrities? To cause them to look distressed or something? Who pays for this and why? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/293 "2023-05-19T05:25:56Z")
Of course the paparazzi get paid for the photos. And if the photo shows the target in a compromising, embarrassing situation–or a situation that can be spun that way–then the fee is better. I’ve always been under the impression that such photographers don’t work for the decent news outlets but for tabloids. I may be wrong on that. Tabloids live or are dependent on such stories. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/294 "2023-05-19T05:26:11Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Do the paparazzi get paid for “the” photo? Yes. > [@DWMarch](#): > > Who pays for this and why? Tabloids and celeb magazines, mostly. Because it sells. There are in fact dedicated Royalist magazines like [_Hello_!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello!_(magazine)), but mags like _People_ and _Heat_ probably pay better. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/295 "2023-05-19T05:32:35Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > No, I understood it just fine. Clearly you haven’t. And yet you continue to double down. My first response to you was to ask what you meant and your response, rather than clarifying that you were concerned with harrassment or dangerous car chase, was your disgusting rape comparison. > [@Gyrate](#): > > You’ve made it very clear that they were asking for this to happen to them No, I very specifically said, in response to your point about “bashing” them that > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > If you choose to live in the public eye and put yourself forward as a public celebrity then you are going to get attention both good and bad. You shouldn’t expect to be the recipient of purely positive publicity and opinion. You now want to try and post-rationalise that into meaning that I think they bring any harrassment or car chases on themselves, that they somehow deserve that. Well no, I didn’t say that and I don’t think that. The above paragraph accurately refelects my thoughts. As it has done right from the start. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/296 "2023-05-19T05:33:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Living life as a celebrity might be asking for public opinion, both good and bad, but it certainly is not asking to be harassed. How does someone even come to the conclusion that it is? That is not my conclusion and never has been. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/297 "2023-05-19T05:43:55Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > It seems to me that Novelty and company simply do not like this particular couple. I’m sure their opinions might be different if it had been a couple that they liked. No, my opinion on what publicity-seeking figures should expect in terms of attention and criticism is completely independent of whether I like them or not. > [@Sylvanz](#): > > There are celebrities that I don’t particularly like, but I do not think they’re “asking for” this sort of harassment. Obviously, YMMV No, my mileage doesn’t vary at all. Harrassment is a crime that no-one “asks for” or deserves and it doesn’t matter if I like them or not. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/298 "2023-05-19T06:48:23Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Clearly you haven’t. No, he absolutely did. He’s responding to the plain text meaning of what you wrote, in the context of the discussion going on in the thread at that time. This was the exchange: > [@Gyrate](#): > > Well, what’s important is that we can use this as an opportunity to bash Harry and Meghan. “This” referring to the recent incident where a photographer endangered their lives. Your response? > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > If you choose to live in the public eye and put yourself forward as a public celebrity then you are going to get attention both good and bad. You shouldn’t expect to be the recipient of purely positive publicity and opinion. > > There are other people, much more famous and relevant than these two, who manage to live quiet private lives. If that was what they wanted they could do it too. Yeah, that’s you straight up saying they deserved to be physically endangered because they’re famous. Did you _mean_ to say something else? Tough shit, you didn’t. He’s reacting to the clear meaning of what you wrote. Stop getting pissy because he didn’t read your intent directly from your brain like fucking Kreskin. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/299 "2023-05-19T07:31:41Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Clearly you haven’t. Oh, but they have. That you don’t _like_ what your stance looks like in harsh daylight doesn’t mean they haven’t _understood_ your stance. > [@](#): > > And yet you continue to double down. The irony, it burns. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > , rather than clarifying that you were concerned with harrassment or dangerous car chase Of course that’s what they were talking about. This only needed clarification for idiots. Trust you to step up for idiots everywhere. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Well no, I didn’t say that and I don’t think that. What did you mean by “bad” attention, then? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908/300 "2023-05-19T08:58:20Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > You now want to try and post-rationalise that into meaning that I think they bring any harrassment or car chases on themselves, that they somehow deserve that. > > Well no, I didn’t say that and I don’t think that. The above paragraph accurately refelects my thoughts. As it has done right from the start. One of us is feverishly post-rationalising, and it’s not me. To be clear: I’m not saying that what H&M went through is akin to sexual assault. But I _am_ saying that your victim-blaming language is entirely akin to the victim-blaming language used on sexual assault victims. Which is something you perhaps should have considered before feigning high dudgeon on behalf of assault victims. > [@MrDibble](#): > > That you don’t _like_ what your stance looks like in harsh daylight doesn’t mean they haven’t _understood_ your stance. Exactly so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-harry-on-60-minutes-what-s-his-story-good-guy-spoiled-brat-what/977908.md?page=16)