# Prince Philip has died **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 9, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670 "2021-04-09T11:08:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/181 "2021-04-16T15:26:37Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > She’s a good friend of his, they raced carriages together. (She’s not a minor royal). > > Not taking spouses to friends’ funerals has, sadly, become a feature of funerals in the UK in the last 12 months. With restrictions on numbers, everyone is having to make hard choices. My family had to do the same at my MIL’s funeral, where friends left their partners behind. She’s a commoner who married a British noble. Is the term royal reserved specifically for certain people or can it cover any of the nobility? Is “minor” in the eye of the beholder or does it have a specific meaning? I don’t know what the answer is. To me she would fit the definition of minor royal but admittedly it’s my own personal definition. Yes I do realize it is due to covid and there would be many more people there if it weren’t for the pandemic. It’s good to see they are setting the example and not finding an exception to the rule. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/182 "2021-04-16T15:38:18Z")
I did not know her background. She seems like a very interesting and strong woman. From what’s in this article it’s not surprising she will be there. > **[The new Countess Mountbatten: Who is Penelope Brabourne?](https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/822613/countess-mountbatten-lady-penelope-brabourne-Norton-Knatchbull)** > > A BUTCHER'S daughter who married into the Royal Family, Penelope Brabourne has endured more tragedy than most, including the loss of a daughter and her husband’s betrayal. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/183 "2021-04-16T19:14:37Z")
the prince was very close to his nieces and nephews. he would go over for holidays and life events. i’m glad they are able to attend. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/184 "2021-04-16T19:32:59Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Is the term royal reserved specifically for certain people or can it cover any of the nobility? “Royal” to me denotes someone who is a member of the Royal Family or closely related to them, not merely a member of the nobility who have little or no genealogical connection to the monarch. For example, Peter Philips, who has no title at all, probably qualifies as “minor royal” because his grandma is the Queen and he is regularly in attendance at family events for the royals. Countess Mountbatten’s husband is the great-great-great-grandson of Queen Victoria, but that’s getting pretty distant from the throne. [Lord Taylor of Warwick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor,_Baron_Taylor_of_Warwick) is a member of the House of Lords, but as the son of Jamaican immigrants, he is rather farther from the throne, and I would not call him “royal” at all. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/185 "2021-04-16T23:42:33Z")
My father died 3 days after my stepmother. In most states ;if people die within 5 days of each other they are legally said to have died together. Don’t know if that applies in the UK or other countries. In my parents case it did not matter who died first because of the way they wrote their wills. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/186 "2021-04-17T10:11:44Z")
In the UK the issue of who inherits when two people die at the same time is governed by section 184 of the Law of Property Act 1925. This Act specifies that when two people die together and it is not possible to determine who died first, the younger is presumed to have survived the elder. [Who Inherits When Two People Die At The Same Time? (inheritancedisputes.co.uk)](https://www.inheritancedisputes.co.uk/news-articles/who-inherits-when-two-people-die-same-time.html) ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/187 "2021-04-17T10:54:52Z")
> Peter Philips, who has no title at all, probably qualifies as “minor royal” because his grandma is the Queen and he is regularly in attendance at family events for the royals. I make a mental distinction between “royal” (i.e., a blood relative of the monarch, who may well be close in terms of family get-togethers, whether or not these may be semi-public occasions, but may have their own careers, like the Phillipses) and “Royal” (i.e., taking on their share of public duties on behalf of the monarch, with some support from the funding for that - a status which has been increasingly limited to fewer people). Similar arrangements apply in the continental monarchies, but seem to be more formalised. In either case, other people with inherited aristocratic titles or equivalent titles of honour don’t count as royal in any sense. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/188 "2021-04-17T13:26:29Z")
The funeral is being live-streamed on YouTube now, if anyone wants to watch it there. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/_Er7H2F6Dpg/maxresdefault.jpg "Mourners gather in Windsor for funeral of Prince Philip – watch live") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Er7H2F6Dpg) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/189 "2021-04-17T13:28:59Z")
Watching on cnn. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/190 "2021-04-17T13:54:45Z")
The BBC stream is better. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL55C3pgiEo) ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/191 "2021-04-17T14:30:00Z")
Say what you like about us, but we Brits do ceremonial better than anyone else in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/192 "2021-04-17T14:47:35Z")
Anyone know why the Royal Marine on the left was periodically swinging his bugle from left to right during the Last Post? ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/193 "2021-04-17T14:54:14Z")
They do that to signal timing to the others. Probably not needed but they always do it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/194 "2021-04-17T14:57:32Z")
Thanks - whenever I watch one of these formal events I see things I haven’t spotted before. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/195 "2021-04-17T14:58:41Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > swinging his bugle from left to right during the Last Post? The trumpeters do it too. More noticeable with a longer instrument. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/196 "2021-04-17T22:23:08Z")
I saw the photo of the Queen sitting all by herself, masked, in the church. How sad that this idiotic plague meant she didn’t even have anyone beside her. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/197 "2021-04-17T22:48:43Z")
Yeah, I didn’t see much of the coverage, but that sad moment stood out and I thought the same. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/198 "2021-04-17T22:52:47Z")
They pointed out on CNN that when the Queen dies, her body will be entombed with the rest of her family. Then, Philip’s body will join hers. Are there already designated spots for Charles (and Camilla?), William and Kate, George, etc? ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/199 "2021-04-17T23:15:35Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Are there already designated spots for Charles (and Camilla?), William and Kate, George, etc? All that really exists is vacancies. They may wind up anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670/200 "2021-04-18T02:51:22Z")
> Say what you like about us, but we Brits do ceremonial better than anyone else in the world. Yes. And this was considered a simple one, due to pandemic restrictions. I think Philip would have approved. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-philip-has-died/939670.md?page=11)