# Prince, you are the KING of the goat-felchers! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050 "2013-07-20T18:40:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/21 "2013-07-20T20:37:05Z")
I for one do believe that Prince sits around his computer all day gleefully and maniacally shutting down anyone who dares to post his intellectual property. I can just picture his little evil laugh in my head right now. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/22 "2013-07-20T20:37:45Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I thought for cover recordings / performances you could get a “compulsory mechanical license” in which the original copyright holder does not have the option to deny you the use, whether they want you to perform their song or not. Exactly. You pay the money to the [Harry Fox Agency](http://www.harryfox.com/), you record and release the song. The amount depends on the number of copies sold, with a special deal for releases of fewer than 1000 copies. That’s what a friend of mine did when he produced [a tribute album of Kate Bush songs.](http://pages.ripco.net/~stunning/kate/) If everyone had to ask Kate if they could cover her songs, they’d be waiting three years to be told “no”. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/23 "2013-07-20T20:38:57Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > So, now that this is in the Pit, is anyone else as annoyed with this egotastic little shithead as I am? You mean the videographer whose art is so precious that they think the normal rules around the venue they voluntarily choose to host their craft on, shouldn’t apply to them? Yes, pretty annoying, but “egotastic shithead” is being a bit hard on yourself, **gaffa**. Prince, though, he’s OK. He’s been royally fucked over about ownership of his own work before, so I’m cool with him asserting all the control over his own music as he can muster (which, face it, in today’s world isn’t that much) ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/24 "2013-07-20T20:40:29Z")
**Gaffa** I hear ya, I even sympathize. I also do not support Prince’s course of action but he and his people have every right under the current law to do exactly what they did. That is the simple but sad truth. This whole thing makes me miss Sonny Bono, he would have fixed this bit of Copyright Law long ago. **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/25 "2013-07-20T20:41:01Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > ☹ How about we share? There’s enough Prince for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/26 "2013-07-20T20:46:53Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > **Gaffa** I hear ya, I even sympathize. I also do not support Prince’s course of action but he and his people have every right under the current law to do exactly what they did. That is the simple but sad truth. The DMCA is an abomination. But that is a different pitting. As I said, he has options, and he chose an option that none of over 100 artists on my channel chose. That makes him a piece of shit. > [@](#): > > This whole thing makes me miss Sonny Bono, he would have fixed this bit of Copyright Law long ago. I disagree. Bono thought copyright should be forever. Songwriters do not _create_ melodies, they _discover_ them. If Bono had had his way, the heirs of songwriters of the last hundred years would run roughshod over every songwriter of the future. I’m sure that anyone who comes up with a great melody, if they looked around, would discover that Mozart came up with that same melody before he was toilet trained. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/27 "2013-07-20T20:48:51Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Again, I’m one strike away from losing everything on my channel, and both strikes were issued on the same night, by the same motherfucker. The bank might have the right to evict me from my house, but not to set fire to it with me inside. I don’t get this. Don’t you have back-up copies of your own videos? ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/28 "2013-07-20T20:52:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You mean the videographer whose art is so precious that they think the normal rules around the venue they voluntarily choose to host their craft on, shouldn’t apply to them? Yes, pretty annoying, but “egotastic shithead” is being a bit hard on yourself, **gaffa**. Bite me. This is about the kids and their performances. I’m just there to capture it for posterity, the parents and lastly to make a little money. Some of these kids are so talented that they will have careers in music and these videos will have value in the future. Again, he’s just one of three groups involved. Why should his rights trump everyone elses? > [@](#): > > Prince, though, he’s OK. He’s been royally fucked over about ownership of his own work before, so I’m cool with him asserting all the control over his own music as he can muster (which, face it, in today’s world isn’t that much) So the dumbshit signed a bad contract? Boo-fucking-hoo, that’s SOP for the record industry which is founded on the “fucking young people over with bad contracts” business. Just you’ve been abused doesn’t excuse becoming an abuser. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/29 "2013-07-20T20:54:36Z")
> [@colander](#): > > I don’t get this. Don’t you have back-up copies of your own videos? Of course I do. What I don’t have is the comments from the viewers. Do you have any idea how hard it is to produce a collection of non-moronic comments on a set of YouTube videos? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/30 "2013-07-20T20:56:31Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > And lawyers are, in general, lazy. If they wanted to work hard, they would have become doctors. Small time videographer/copyright leeches are, in general, lazy. If they wanted to work hard, they’d create original content. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/31 "2013-07-20T20:56:56Z")
Hey, **gaffa** , would it be cool with you if I DVD-ripped your concert vids and sold them for cheap in the Target parking lot? If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/32 "2013-07-20T20:58:26Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Of course I do. What I don’t have is the comments from the viewers. Do you have any idea how hard it is to produce a collection of non-moronic comments on a set of YouTube videos? Okay, then copy-paste them to a text file or something. Hardly a major operation. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/33 "2013-07-20T20:59:13Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > He wouldn’t let Weird Al cover his songs either, as I recall. Doesn’t matter. Prince is amazing and I love him forever. Did you mean to say: \*\*\*God bless you and him. Always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/34 "2013-07-20T20:59:51Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Bite me. This is about the kids and their performances. I’m just there to capture it for posterity, the parents and lastly to make a little money. I bet. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Some of these kids are so talented that they will have careers in music and these videos will have value in the future. Uh huh. Now we’re getting to it. > [@](#): > > Again, he’s just one of three groups involved. Why should his rights trump everyone elses? Because they’re **his songs**. > [@](#): > > So the dumbshit signed a bad contract? Boo-fucking-hoo, that’s SOP for the record industry which is founded on the “fucking young people over with bad contracts” business. Just you’ve been abused doesn’t excuse becoming an abuser. He isn’t an abuser. Back up your shit and quit being a dumbass. You Tube doesn’t owe you a venue and Prince doesn’t owe you his art. Get over yourself. I swear, there’s nothing like a talentless hack to act like an entitled piece of shit. You try creating something amazing and having people turn it into trash, and we’ll see how you feel. But that’s just beyond you, isn’t it? Prince made something wonderful. The kids you are talking about sound talented and are making something amazing as well. You are glomming off everyone else work, mad you don’t get to make more money from it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/35 "2013-07-20T21:00:29Z")
Again, let’s make one thing perfectly clear. It is not just about Prince asserting his rights. It is the fact that he asserted his rights in a way that leaves me one strike away from losing 299 other videos with songs by other artists. Most of those artists chose the non-dick option and are benefiting from the free ads for their song right next to my video of the kids performing that song. If “Controversy Music” had succeeded in finding the other two videos, all of those other artists would have lost this opportunity to sell their music. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/36 "2013-07-20T21:01:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did you mean to say: > > \*\*\*God bless you and him. Always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 😉 Good one! I actually laughed out loud. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/37 "2013-07-20T21:01:43Z")
> [@colander](#): > > Okay, then copy-paste them to a text file or something. Hardly a major operation. I was not given that option. When I received the DMCA copyright strike notices, the original videos disappeared. No way to get the info. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/38 "2013-07-20T21:03:05Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Again, let’s make one thing perfectly clear. > > It is not just about Prince asserting his rights. > > It is the fact that he asserted his rights in a way that leaves me one strike away from losing 299 other videos with songs by other artists. Most of those artists chose the non-dick option and are benefiting from the free ads for their song right next to my video of the kids performing that song. If “Controversy Music” had succeeded in finding the other two videos, all of those other artists would have lost this opportunity to sell their music. Wahhhhh! I can’t make money off someone else’s work!! Wahhhhh! I don’t follow the rules, and I blame other people when I get caught! Boo hoo, I’m stupid! ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/39 "2013-07-20T21:04:47Z")
Can’t you find a non-You Tube option? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/40 "2013-07-20T21:05:33Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > If “Controversy Music” had succeeded in finding the other two videos, all of those other artists would have lost this opportunity to sell their music. How many of those artists asked you for that “opportunity”? How many of them get a cut of your sales? Personally, I hope you get that third strike soon. Can’t wait to see you come crying about it here. I’ll laugh my ass off about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050.md?page=3)