# Prince, you are the KING of the goat-felchers! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050 "2013-07-20T18:40:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/41 "2013-07-20T21:06:28Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Small time videographer/copyright leeches are, in general, lazy. If they wanted to work hard, they’d create original content. Asshole. Read my OP. I shoot a concert with seven cameras _by myself_. I edit the whole thing into a fairly professional looking product. My original content. Again, why should one contributor, the songwriter, overrule the rights of everyone else? He didn’t perform these songs with the kids. He didn’t record the performances. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/42 "2013-07-20T21:12:43Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > He isn’t an abuser. Back up your shit and quit being a dumbass. You Tube doesn’t owe you a venue and Prince doesn’t owe you his art. Get over yourself. The kids covered these songs very well. > [@](#): > > I swear, there’s nothing like a talentless hack to act like an entitled piece of shit. You try creating something amazing and having people turn it into trash, and we’ll see how you feel. But that’s just beyond you, isn’t it? Turn it into trash? Fuck off. They did a great job. Again, they had a right to perform these songs at a venue. Prince got paid for that via ASCAP or BMI. The School had paid for the right to video them (you just try to tell a parent that they can’t video their kid - things would get ugly). I’m offering a service to the parents by doing a better job than they can. This is hardly remunerative - I sell, at best, a dozen copies at $25 each. It takes me a day to shoot and another couple of days to edit. > [@](#): > > Prince made something wonderful. The kids you are talking about sound talented and are making something amazing as well. You are glomming off everyone else work, mad you don’t get to make more money from it. :rolleyes: They are. I wish I could give you a link to the video, but some selfish fuckwad caused them to be deleted. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/43 "2013-07-20T21:13:27Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Again, let’s make one thing perfectly clear. > > It is not just about Prince asserting his rights. > > It is the fact that he asserted his rights in a way that leaves me one strike away from losing 299 other videos with songs by other artists. Most of those artists chose the non-dick option and are benefiting from the free ads for their song right next to my video of the kids performing that song. If “Controversy Music” had succeeded in finding the other two videos, all of those other artists would have lost this opportunity to sell their music. That’s not Prince’s fault - he doesn’t make the rules for Youtube. I don’t know if Prince is a complete dick or not; I’ve heard many stories either way. Maybe he is or isn’t, depending on his mood that day. I do know, though, that you don’t mess with his music. He hasn’t exactly been shy about being extremely controlling about that. I don’t think he deals with reality very well when it comes to his music, either, but it’s his music, and he can try to control it as much as he wants. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/44 "2013-07-20T21:13:40Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Again, why should one contributor, the songwriter, overrule the rights of everyone else? He didn’t perform these songs with the kids. He didn’t record the performances. Without the songwriter, the kids would have nothing to perform, and you would have nothing to record. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/45 "2013-07-20T21:14:19Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > How many of those artists asked you for that “opportunity”? How many of them get a cut of your sales? You really did not read the OP, did you? The answer is… Every fucking one of them! They all get free ads for their original songs on YouTube. For free. All they have to do is _not_ be an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/46 "2013-07-20T21:14:22Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > I was not given that option. When I received the DMCA copyright strike notices, the original videos disappeared. No way to get the info. Oh well. How about my parking lot idea, though? You’ll get free advertising because I will definitely mention your screen name to the people I sell those DVD-Rs to! What’s not to love? ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/47 "2013-07-20T21:16:22Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Can’t you find a non-You Tube option? I will. If another School of Rock does a Prince tribute show, I’ll upload their videos on every other video sharing site. The problem is that Google doesn’t index those well, if at all. If it’s not on YouTube, it might as well not exist. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/48 "2013-07-20T21:18:59Z")
Sensors are indicating thread failure, captain. Abort! Abort! ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/49 "2013-07-20T21:19:32Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > That’s not Prince’s fault - he doesn’t make the rules for Youtube. No, but he had three options of how to assert those rules. To quote my OP, which you do not seem to have read: There are three levels of copyright violation on YouTube. "You don’t own the rights to this song… [ol] [li]…but that’s cool. We’re just going to put ads for the original next to your video.“[/li][li] …no, nobody can cover this song. We’re going to mute the audio so nobody can hear your rendition.”[/li][li] …and we’re issuing an Official DMCA Takedown notice against you! Three of these things and you lose your entire account!"[/li][/ol] > [@](#): > > I don’t know if Prince is a complete dick or not; I’ve heard many stories either way. Maybe he is or isn’t, depending on his mood that day. I do know, though, that you don’t mess with his music. He hasn’t exactly been shy about being extremely controlling about that. I don’t think he deals with reality very well when it comes to his music, either, but it’s his music, and he can try to control it as much as he wants. Again, he was not the only party here. The kids have rights. I have rights. The other performers who are benefiting from my videos have rights. And this asshole thinks his rights trumps everyones. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/50 "2013-07-20T21:19:36Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > You really did not read the OP, did you? The answer is… > > Every fucking one of them! > > They all get free ads for their original songs on YouTube. For free. All they have to do is _not_ be an asshole. Getting free ads in exchange for not demanding your infringements be removed is not the same as asking you to do make the infringing videos, dumbass. And you are not paying for the free ads, either…so you’re claiming a right to make money off work you did not create, and claiming protection for compensation you aren’t paying. You’re a fucking leech. Nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/51 "2013-07-20T21:22:11Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > And this asshole thinks his rights trumps everyones. No, that would be a matter of federal law. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/52 "2013-07-20T21:25:23Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Without the songwriter, the kids would have nothing to perform, and you would have nothing to record. The kids have performed songs by a wide variety of songwiters. I videotape them, and they have told me that they love that my videos are up there so they can evaluate their own performances. Hell, I know for a fact that the mother of one of my favorite SoR performers has never bought one of my DVDs. Contrary to what you may think, not everything is about money. Ultimately, if the School of Rock discovers that covering Prince causes nothing but pain, they will just stop covering him, and they won’t learn what they could from covering his stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/53 "2013-07-20T21:33:15Z")
Gitcher head in a businessman’s space and take some of the constructive advice on this thread. He’s helped a lot of people in the music biz and tends to the generous side with his public. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/54 "2013-07-20T21:52:02Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Bite me. Err, no. I don’t know where you’ve been. > [@](#): > > This is about the kids and their performances. Oh, no, I should have thought of the children! :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I’m just there to capture it for posterity, the parents and lastly to make a little money. _All_ of which could be accomplished by mailing a set of dvds around, or hosting on _your own_ service. Once you choose to host on youtube, you choose to play by whatever rules they choose (and you agreed to when you signed up). How much of your “little money” do you spend on your youtube account, BTW? > [@](#): > > Some of these kids are so talented that they will have careers in music and these videos will have value in the future. No doubt. Which of course is all the reason you need to break the rules - precious snowflakes don’t have to abide by anyone else’s laws, now do they? > [@](#): > > Again, he’s just one of three groups involved. Why should his rights trump everyone elses? Because Youtube says they do (and because it’s his fucking music) > [@](#): > > So the dumbshit signed a bad contract? Boo-fucking-hoo, that’s SOP for the record industry which is founded on the “fucking young people over with bad contracts” business. Just you’ve been abused doesn’t excuse becoming an abuser. He got out of the contract, and now doesn’t want to give away his music to all-and-sundry. That’s not abuse. Not giving people things just because they wrongly think they’re entitled to them, is not abuse. You’re just upset because you got caught doing something you know was against the rules, but you felt entitled to do, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/55 "2013-07-20T21:53:05Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > No, but he had three options of how to assert those rules. To quote my OP, which you do not seem to have read: > > There are three levels of copyright violation on YouTube. > > "You don’t own the rights to this song… > > [ol] > [li]…but that’s cool. We’re just going to put ads for the original next to your video.“[/li][li] …no, nobody can cover this song. We’re going to mute the audio so nobody can hear your rendition.”[/li][li] …and we’re issuing an Official DMCA Takedown notice against you! Three of these things and you lose your entire account!"[/li][/ol] > Again, he was not the only party here. The kids have rights. I have rights. The other performers who are benefiting from my videos have rights. And this asshole thinks his rights trumps everyones. Just because we aren’t agreeing with you doesn’t mean we haven’t read and comprehended your OP. Prince has done nothing wrong except not played ball with you. > [@gaffa](#): > > \ > Ultimately, if the School of Rock discovers that covering Prince causes nothing but pain, they will just stop covering him, and they won’t learn what they could from covering his stuff. The method you’re attempting to go about having them cover his songs and you videotape them and post them on Youtube is obviously not working; maybe he isn’t an artist that can be covered this way. Life ain’t fair. That’s a good lesson for the kids, too. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/56 "2013-07-20T21:56:08Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > The kids have performed songs by a wide variety of songwiters. I videotape them, and they have told me that they love that my videos are up there so they can evaluate their own performances. Hell, I know for a fact that the mother of one of my favorite SoR performers has never bought one of my DVDs. That’s because you’re pricing them way too high! I’d let my burn of one of your full concerts go for less than three dollars. At that price, mom will buy some for herself and for all the kid’s relatives, too! And don’t worry, I’ll scrawl “videographed by **jaffen** with 7 cameras” on the sleeve of all of my bootlegs, so you’ll get all the credit and fame while I do all the legwork! Why, it’s a “win-win” proposition, wouldn’t you say, **gaffigan**? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/57 "2013-07-20T21:57:51Z")
Seems to me that no one is saying the School of Rock can’t cover his songs. I fail to see why YouTube denying you the privilege of posting those videos means that they can’t cover his music. One activity is unrelated to the other. I mean, it’s wonder how anyone did anything prior to YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/58 "2013-07-20T21:58:20Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > You really did not read the OP, did you? The answer is… > > Every fucking one of them! “Every fucking one of them” asked you to record performances of their songs? Or were you only answering the second part of the question and ignoring the first? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/59 "2013-07-20T22:34:31Z")
So he took advantage of a valid option on YouTube to protect his interests in the way he feels is best for him, but because it affects you negatively he’s some horrible hateful person? It was a legal, valid option and he’s a horrible person because he put his interests ahead of yours? You could be annoyed but he’s not some immoral being since he chose to promote his best interests over yours. My goodness. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050/60 "2013-07-20T22:50:32Z")
Sounds to me like the pit thread should be about **gaffa** exploiting talented children. Not sure how Prince is involved though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prince-you-are-the-king-of-the-goat-felchers/664050.md?page=4)