Pro bono bullshit

[villa]

@Shot_From_Guns

Watch out! You’re going to get beaten up by a gang of 'tards and then tasered by some pigs. **Rand Rover **knows–he’s heard about this sort of thing, after all.

The partner looked at me kind of funny when I asked if “crazies” was the preferred term to use in the brief.

[Guinastasia]

@Muffin

Work for goats?

When a Mommy Goat and a Daddy Goat love each other very much…

[Muffin]

They end up with a goat, see?

[Bosstone]

@Muffin

They end up with a goat, see?

On Christmas Island?

[Rushgeekgirl]

I dunno maybe you should quit lawyering and do construction or something.

[Muffin]

@Bosstone

@Muffin

They end up with a goat, see?

On Christmas Island?

Unless a pro bonar lawyer were to fight the account cancellation.

[Ludovic]

@Muffin

@Bosstone

On Christmas Island?

Unless a pro bonar lawyer were to fight the account cancellation.

Christmas Islanders opened themselves wide up to goat jokes.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@constanze

@Damuri_Ajashi

Besides, my friends really dig buying goats on the internet.

You know, I know what you mean with the Oxfam shop (their slogan over here is “EinZIEGartige Geschenke”, which is a pune or play on words) - but in the age of goatsex, I think you should have phrased that a bit … different. :eek:

I thought we were still in Aquarius.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Rand_Rover

Ah, Page 10. I was beginning to think I’d lost my touch, but here we are.

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

[Quint]

Just to be clear- Rand Rover you swore an oath saying you would do your best to do pro bono work, but you’re not going to because there are no repercussions? It seems to me that this means that your word has no value, which apparently is fine with you. Does this sound accurate? Do you feel the same way about marriage vows? I am genuinely curious.

[descamisado]

@Euphonious_Polemic

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

I agree but how dissapointed he must be that no one took the bait when, as part of his schtick, he brings up his Unique Wittle Snowflake.

[Rand_Rover]

@Quint

Just to be clear- Rand Rover you swore an oath saying you would do your best to do pro bono work, but you’re not going to because there are no repercussions? It seems to me that this means that your word has no value, which apparently is fine with you. Does this sound accurate? Do you feel the same way about marriage vows? I am genuinely curious.

Nope. Not accurate at all. I did not swear an oath saying I would do my best to do pro bono work.

[Shot_From_Guns]

@Euphonious_Polemic

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

Subtlety is just one of the many words that are not in RR’s vocabulary.

[purplehorseshoe]

I still don’t understand why you’d care, RR. As I understand it, when you do pro bono work, you still get paid your salary. It’s the firm that pays for the work, is that correct? Wasn’t that said upthread?

If that’s true, then what do you care which of clients A, B, or C is rich and which is poor?

[MeanOldLady]

Because, horseshoe, the people who would need pro bono assistance are cretins.

[Shot_From_Guns]

Cretins *and *hooligans, who will stalk him and attack his family. Stupidly.

[Quint]

@Rand_Rover

@Quint

Just to be clear- Rand Rover you swore an oath saying you would do your best to do pro bono work, but you’re not going to because there are no repercussions? It seems to me that this means that your word has no value, which apparently is fine with you. Does this sound accurate? Do you feel the same way about marriage vows? I am genuinely curious.

Nope. Not accurate at all. I did not swear an oath saying I would do my best to do pro bono work.

OK. It seemed earlier that others thought you had taken such an oath, or something similar. Would you say there is room for disagreement about whether or not you made some kind of promise to that effect to some kind of guild, or am I just misunderstanding things?

Oh, and my two-year-old is almost certainly cuter and smarter than your two-year-old.

[descamisado]

@Shot_From_Guns

Cretins *and *hooligans, who will stalk him and attack his family. Stupidly.

Ruffians, jackboots and blackguards of the lowest sort, I’m afraid.

[Shot_From_Guns]

Lock up your dustbins!

[villa]

@Quint

OK. It seemed earlier that others thought you had taken such an oath, or something similar. Would you say there is room for disagreement about whether or not you made some kind of promise to that effect to some kind of guild, or am I just misunderstanding things?

Oh, and my two-year-old is almost certainly cuter and smarter than your two-year-old.

The Introduction to the Illinois Rules of Professional Conduct states the following:

It is the responsibility of those licensed as officers of the court to use their training, experience and skills to provide services in the public interest for which compensation may not be available. It is the responsibility of those who manage law firms to create an environment that is hospitable to the rendering of a reasonable amount of uncompensated service by lawyers practicing in that firm.

Service in the public interest may take many forms. These include but are not limited to pro bono representation of persons unable to pay for legal services and assistance in the organized bar’s efforts at law reform. An individual lawyer’s efforts in these areas is evidence of the lawyer’s good character and fitness to practice law, and the efforts of the bar as a whole are essential to the bar’s maintenance of professionalism.

The absence from the proposed new rules of ABA Model Rule 6.1 regarding pro bono and public service therefore should not be interpreted as limiting the responsibility of attorneys to render uncompensated service in the public interest. Rather, the rationale for the absence of ABA Model Rule 6.1 is that this concept is not appropriate for a disciplinary code, because an appropriate disciplinary standard regarding pro bono and public service is difficult, if not impossible, to articulate. That ABA Model Rule 6.1 itself uses the word "should’’ instead of "shall’’ in describing this duty reflects the uncertainty of the ABA on this issue.

Most attorneys interpret this as them having an ethical responsibility to do pro bono work where possible. RandRover doesn’t, apparently because there is no sanction attached. God forbid that is the ethical lesson he is teaching his child, but hey, his choice.

As for taking time away from spending with one’s child, well, I’d rather my son grew up knowing that I was willing to spend time and effort helping other people rather than thinking of only myself and my blood kin. But again, he has his choice on how to raise his child.