# Pro-Con: Clinton vs. Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844 "2016-05-04T02:31:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/1 "2016-05-04T02:31:27Z")
Now that the nominees are basically decided, what are your pluses and minuses of each nominee? Why would you vote for one and encourage a person to vote for one? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/2 "2016-05-04T02:35:59Z")
Trump comes across as credulous and none too bright. He seems to take conspiracy theories that come from whack-a-doodle sources at face value, accept them, and then repeat them as gospel. Heck, I don’t even think that he considers his sources or logic AT ALL when absorbing “information” from random nutters off the internet. Trump seems from past behavior to be very thin-skinned and vindictive. Two traits that are not very valuable in a politician. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/3 "2016-05-04T02:44:42Z")
i will be voting for Hillary. Pro for Hillary? She’s not Trump. That’s all I have. In a more informed world, Bernie would be the nominee, but ya plays the cards you’re dealt. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/4 "2016-05-04T02:45:09Z")
What I like about Clinton: [ul] [li]she’s pro-choice[/li][li]she’s experienced and knows government/military[/li][li]she and Bill were essentially “buy one get one free” from 1993-2001, and it worked out well[/li][li]she’s correct on opposing tax cuts for the rich[/li][li]she’s correct on the environment[/li][li]she’s right on LGB rights[/li][li]she believes in American exceptionalism (comparatively to Trump and Obama)[/li][li]she’s a lot more pro-Israel than Obama (and always has been), and potentially Trump[/li][li]she’s a centrist at heart[/li][/ul] What I don’t like about Clinton: [ul] [li]She’s gotten on board with the far-left on transvestites[/li][li]she’s technically supporting the Iran deal (even tho I think that was to keep Biden away)[/li][li]She’s for Syrian Muslim refugees (tho I hope and think she’ll move to the center on this after the left-wing is resigned to Bernie’s inevitable loss)[/li][li]In this campaign, she won’t use the term Radical Islamic Terror (tho she did 10 years ago)[/li][/ul] What I like about Trump: [ul] [li]He’s a punch in the face to all this PC, safe-space, microaggression crap[/li][li]He wants to limit mass Muslim immigration[/li][/ul] What I don’t like about Trump [ul] [li]He has no government/politics experience[/li][li]He wants to deport 12 million people and their kids, who mainly do jobs Americans won’t, which is inhumane and could hurt the economy, particularly the agriculture industry, as well as others[/li][li]He made fun of Eric Garner’s choking death[/li][li]His making Mexico pay for a wall would ruin relations with a great neighbor[/li][li]He is a foreign policy isolationist, wants to essentially scrap NATO[/li][li]He is a protectionist[/li][li]He could hurt relations with China, which is a powerful force, like it or not[/li][li]He openly talked about “neutrality” to Israel/Palestinians, which pleases the libertarians (nonetheless, limiting Muslim immigration is good for Israel given our politics)[/li][li]One day, he’s pro-choice, next day he wants to put women getting abortion in jail. I am very strong on this issue bc if I do my GF and the condom breaks, I only want to have the baby if me and the girl actually want it at that time, given the huge money/time and personal changes it begets[/li][li]He thinks global warming is a hoax[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/5 "2016-05-04T02:49:19Z")
Vote for Clinton, because ignorance is not cheap when it can be put into action to undermine our institutions. One should only picture the kind of like minded ignorants Trump will tap for his cabinet, one can check the following links link and see what kind of person he will look for. > **[Trump links vaccines to autism ‘epidemic’](https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/253980-trump-links-vaccines-to-autism-epidemic/)** > > “Autism has become an epidemic, he said. “It has gotten totally out of control.” One can then see there that Trump is likely to put someone like Jenny McCarty as director of the NIH > **[As Election Year Unfolds, Climate Concern Rises](https://climatecrocks.com/2016/03/17/as-election-year-unfolds-climate-concern-rises/#comment-81896)** > > Gallup: Americans are taking global warming more seriously than at any time in the past eight years, according to several measures in Gallup’s annual environment poll. Most emblematic is the … There one can see Trump looking to put a climate change denier like Anthony Watts in charge of NOAA. > **[Sheriff Joe Arpaio Endorses Donald Trump](https://time.com/4194585/joe-arpaio-donald-trump-endorsement/)** > > A polarizing figure that could give a boost to the GOP frontrunner And after reading that one can conclude that he could then appoint a racial profiler like Joe Arpaio to run Homeland Security. And that is just for starters. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/6 "2016-05-04T02:54:08Z")
Clinton pluses: A Democrat. Not a Republican. Experienced in national government in several capacities. Might get equal pay for women and stand up for abortion rights and women’s issues generally. The African-Americans like her, they must have a reason. A woman – about time, why not? Not stupid. Not insane. Not prone to rage. Not Trump. Minuses: An Establishment Democrat – socially liberal, but with the viewpoint and loyal to the interests of her own class, the 10%, the new class of degreed professionals and managers, and not to the middle or working or poor classes, despite her own middle-class origin. Like Bill and Obama, she seems to have internalized the (false) notion that “meritocracy” propels to the top people of greater worth and value than the rest, not only mentally but morally. Economically a globalizing, neoliberal, supply-side, Third Way New Democrat – IOW, still and inexplicably (unless you take the above into account) devoted to a school of economics which is by now at least as thoroughly and obviously discredited as the Stalinist model of Communism. It never has the intended results when tried . . . or, rather, it does, consistently, only those who implemented it weren’t being honest about the intended results. Ethically dubious. She’s like Slick Willie – unfairly and insanely maligned by the right as corrupt, and yet seems to get away with so much that you’re tempted to think there’s gotta be something there. A woman – which probably will not lose her more votes than it wins her, but might provoke a sexist backlash the way Obama becoming president provoked a racist backlash. Is much, **much** too warhawkish, possibly even more dangerous than Trump in that regard; in any case, that’s the last thing we need in the WH right now. Trump pluses: Not a Republican. Is probably a native-born citizen constitutionally qualified to be president, provided that the extraterrestrial scalp parasite that controls his mind is counted as a separate being, which, admittedly, might be stretching things a bit at this point. [Minuses:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=787047) ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/7 "2016-05-04T02:59:52Z")
Trump is an egotistical maniac and a felon. Clinton is the embodiment of the corrupt establishment. I’ll probably vote for Jill Stein. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/8 "2016-05-04T03:06:05Z")
One of the best “Against” Trump opinion from the conservative view comes from this conservative evangelical that I have seen quoted in Breitbart before. (not for this article, of course) > **[Why Nominating Donald J. Trump Would Be a Catastrophe — DR. BRIAN MATTSON](http://www.drbrianmattson.com/journal/2016/1/23/why-nominating-donald-j-trump-would-be-a-catastrophe)** > > The subject of my last post was why I believe nominating Ted Cruz is a mistake. In a nutshell, Cruz has a more limited upside than others when it comes to getting enough votes in a general election. I don't doubt the sincerity of his conservatism,... > [@](#): > > **Why Nominating Donald J. Trump Would Be a Catastrophe** > > … > > Many have sounded this alarm already. I cannot improve on National Review’s editorial, “Against Trump.” It is a tour de force of reason, facts, and prose. I’ve seen lots of gnashing of teeth against them for issuing such a dogmatic salvo, but not a single argument for why they are wrong. That’s because they aren’t wrong. Their case is irrefutable. They have the measure of the man. > > Additionally, if you’d like a little more background before you read my thoughts below, you really need to read Matt Labash’s essay on Trump over at the Weekly Standard. It tells you all you really need to know. Much of it forms the basis of why I can claim without hesitation: Donald Trump is a man without a compass of any kind. Not moral, not ideological, and not political. No, that isn’t quite right. He does have a compass, but its needle doesn’t point to anything resembling true north; it points at himself. If you think Barack Obama is the Narcissist-in-Chief, if you tire of the words “I,” “me,” and “my” coming from the lips of a U.S. President, you haven’t seen anything yet. Just take a gander at how Donald Trump thinks and talks about himself, his riches, his business deals, his sexual prowess with a great multitude of women, his long list of enemies, and more. This is not a good man, by any moral measure. > > I don’t think enough people are willing to say that. In fact, almost nobody is willing to say that. But I am a Christian theologian, one dedicated to “public” theology. So let me say this theological truth publicly: Donald Trump is not an upright man. If character and integrity matters to you, and it should, then Trump should be nowhere near your list of possible candidates. > > If you doubt me on this, if you think I’m way out on a limb, if you think that sort of judgment is beyond the pale, I simply challenge you to pick up a Bible and read the book of Proverbs from cover to cover. It won’t take you that long. You will find hundreds of wise aphorisms taking the form of “The wise man does X… the fool does X.” You will find very few of those formulations, if any, wherein Donald Trump sits on the wisdom side of the equation. This man is, in the biblical sense of the word, a fool. > > Let me get this out of the way. We need not actually fear a Trump presidency. It won’t happen. The Democrat General Election Voting Machine will destroy Donald Trump. It will not even be close. And this is not just because I believe he has as much chance of reproducing Mitt Romney’s 60+ million votes (and still fall short!) as I do of making contact on a fastball from Clayton Kershaw. It is because, after over a year of grotesque “in-kind” campaign contributions from the mainstream media in the form of 24/7 wall-to-wall Trump coverage (with the intent of getting this guy nominated), watch what happens next. > > Do you think a narcissist, wheeling-and-dealing businessman like Donald Trump has a few skeletons in his closet? No. He’s got _ **warehouses** _. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/9 "2016-05-04T03:06:29Z")
I find it amusing our OP is more transphobic then the presumptive Republican nominee for President. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/10 "2016-05-04T03:41:16Z")
Why I like Clinton: She seems like a competent rational adult who has experience in politics at the Presidential level. Why I don’t like Trump: He does not. More specifically, Trump doesn’t appear to give enough thought to what he says or does. Simple answers may sound appealing but a lot of what a President has to do is actually very complicated; simple answers generally won’t work. Trump doesn’t seem like a person who will listen to other people, even if they know more than he does. Many of the ideas Trump has put forth are unworkable. Other countries aren’t going to do things just because Trump tells them do. Neither will Congress. Trump’s tax plan is terrible and would lead to a massive increase in the national debt. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/11 "2016-05-04T07:31:07Z")
Put me down as thinking the question is too silly to ask. Trump has incompetent views on all policy matters, and lacks the proper temperament for the job. At least one of his closest advisors has admitted this was all a publicity stunt that got out of hand. Go down to any drunk tank and play Eeny-Meeny-Miney-Moe and you’ll probable pick a better President. Even some voting for Trump have admitted that the vote is just their way of saying F\*\*K YOU to the establishment. Trump might actually do a better job than some of the other GOP clowns would do, e.g. Carson or Rubio. That just shows what an utter disaster this GOP season has been. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/12 "2016-05-04T07:59:11Z")
I took one of those jolly little tests linked from here and it said I am 89% in accordance with Sanders — and I’m not even a socialist. Were I American, and if I would vote, and if a gun was at my head forcing me to choose — _nothing_ is worth a human life, when it’s my own — then I would select Trump in a heartbeat: simply **because** he’s not a Hillary. She’s graceless, corrupt, vulgar and consumed with ignorant self-belief: compared, he is none of these foolish things. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/13 "2016-05-04T08:05:03Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > She’s graceless, corrupt, vulgar and consumed with ignorant self-belief: compared, he is none of these foolish things. Tell me you were being sarcastic. The sentence would’ve fit with Trump and Clinton switched. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/14 "2016-05-04T09:46:17Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > What I don’t like about Clinton: > [ul] > [li]She’s gotten on board with the far-left on transvestites[/li][li]she’s technically supporting the Iran deal (even tho I think that was to keep Biden away)[/li][li]She’s for Syrian Muslim refugees (tho I hope and think she’ll move to the center on this after the left-wing is resigned to Bernie’s inevitable loss)[/li][li]In this campaign, she won’t use the term Radical Islamic Terror (tho she did 10 years ago)[/li][/ul] Who are the transvestites? Is [this person](http://www.outsmartmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/AydianFeaturedImage-610x350.jpg) a transvestite? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/15 "2016-05-04T10:16:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who are the transvestites? Is [this person](http://www.outsmartmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/AydianFeaturedImage-610x350.jpg) a transvestite? A transvestite is a person who pretends to be a sex he/she is not. Examples: Bruce Jenner, Chastity Bono, and Bradley Manning. And yes, Aydian fits the bill. if you have a y-chromosome, you’re a male. If you don’t, you’re a female. PERIOD. Gender and sex are the same; this idiocy of changing the definition of them is just that. I’m not a conservative on LGB rights, but [I’ve gone thru this before.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19230173). (On the genetic mutations, then OK that’s a different case) Nice try tho to hijack my thread. In case you missed it, if a lot of moderate suburban Repubs and Indies join Hillary’s coalition against Donald Trump, she’s gonna have a lot more likeminded supporters about things like this. There is one person who “assigns” one’s gender. His name is The Lord. He also assigns sexuality (what gender ones genitals get aroused to). I don’t buy this ish that gender and sexuality have some kind of bendable definition. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/16 "2016-05-04T10:50:50Z")
Let me revise the OP’s list for myself: What I like about Clinton: [ul] [li]she’s pro-choice[/li][li]she’s experienced and knows government/military[/li][li]she and Bill were essentially “buy one get one free” from 1993-2001, and it worked out well[/li][li]she’s correct on opposing tax cuts for the rich[/li][li]she’s correct on the environment[/li][li]she’s right on LGB **T** rights[/li][li]she’s a centrist at heart[/li][li]she’s technically supporting the Iran deal (even tho I think that was to keep Biden away)[/li][li]She’s for Syrian Muslim refugees[/ul][/li] What I don’t like about Clinton: [ul] [li]She’s still got a massive chip on her shoulder which drives her hawkishness.[/li][li]Her stated principles at any given moment are aligned with what she perceives to be popular and/or politically expedient rather than what she actually believes. [/li][li]While not criminally corrupt, she’s an old-school political wheeler-dealer of the sort that frequently strayed to the wrong side of the line when it served a purpose. Hers will be a presidency of even less transparency.[/li][/ul] What I like about Trump: [ul] [li]He’s not Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Carson, Santorum, Gingrich, Huckabee, Perry, etc, etc.[/li][/ul] What I don’t like about Trump [ul] [li]He’s [del]a punch in the face to all this PC, safe-space, microaggression crap[/del] a raging asshole.[/li][li]He wants to limit mass Muslim immigration for no good reason.[/li][li]He has no government/politics experience[/li][li]He wants to deport 12 million people and their kids, who mainly do jobs Americans won’t, which is inhumane and could hurt the economy, particularly the agriculture industry, as well as others[/li][li]He made fun of Eric Garner’s choking death[/li][li]His making Mexico pay for a wall would ruin relations with a great neighbor[/li][li]He is a foreign policy isolationist, wants to essentially scrap NATO[/li][li]He is a protectionist[/li][li]He could hurt relations with China, which is a powerful force, like it or not[/li][li]One day, he’s pro-choice, next day he wants to put women getting abortion in jail. In fact, his position on quite a lot of issues[/li][li]He thinks global warming is a hoax[/li][li]He wants to use the power of the government to persecute anyone who criticizes him. [/li][li]He has advocated shooting down Russian planes, which will likely lead to increased global tensions.[/li][li]He would make the US the laughingstock of the world while destroying its economy and starting more wars, all for the sake of his own ego.[/li][li]The “raging asshole” thing again.[/li][/ul] > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I don’t buy this ish that gender and sexuality have some kind of bendable definition. > [@Neil deGrasse Tyson](#): > > The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/17 "2016-05-04T10:57:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > A transvestite is a person who pretends to be a sex he/she is not. Examples: Bruce Jenner, Chastity Bono, and Bradley Manning. And yes, Aydian fits the bill. > > if you have a y-chromosome, you’re a male. If you don’t, you’re a female. PERIOD. Gender and sex are the same; this idiocy of changing the definition of them is just that. I’m not a conservative on LGB rights, but [I’ve gone thru this before.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19230173). > > (On the genetic mutations, then OK that’s a different case) > > Nice try tho to hijack my thread. In case you missed it, if a lot of moderate suburban Repubs and Indies join Hillary’s coalition against Donald Trump, she’s gonna have a lot more likeminded supporters about things like this. There is one person who “assigns” one’s gender. His name is The Lord. He also assigns sexuality (what gender ones genitals get aroused to). I don’t buy this ish that gender and sexuality have some kind of bendable definition. When you refuse to call a group by the correct name because you don’t like the group, and repeatedly use the wrong name on purpose, you’re going to get called out for it. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/18 "2016-05-04T11:02:50Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > A transvestite is a person who pretends to be a sex he/she is not. Examples: Bruce Jenner, Chastity Bono, and Bradley Manning. And yes, Aydian fits the bill. That’s not the scientifically accepted definition of the word transvestite. You can disagree with the huge piles of medical research and the testimonies of millions of people all you want, but I don’t see why you have to be so aggressive in not using the terminology in the way it is intended. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/19 "2016-05-04T13:28:58Z")
I’m a centrist Democrat. I strongly supported Martin O’Malley in the primaries (we all know how well _that_ worked out), and still think he’d have been a stronger candidate and better President than either of the two likely major-party candidates. But now, faced with a choice between the Democrat, a politically-experienced serial liar with whom I agree on most issues, and the Republican, a political neophyte borderline-fascist egomaniacal bully, I’ll take Option A in a heartbeat. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844/20 "2016-05-04T13:47:12Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > That’s not the scientifically accepted definition of the word transvestite. You can disagree with the huge piles of medical research and the testimonies of millions of people all you want, but I don’t see why you have to be so aggressive in not using the terminology in the way it is intended. Science has always held male and female to separated by gametes and chromosomes. Sadly, the SJWs and their toadies in the media have tried to hijack the medical voices, but not everyone is buying it. A cross dresser is a cross dresser. A male a male, a female a female,. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-con-clinton-vs-trump/753844.md?page=2)