# Pro-Life=Fundamentalist Moron **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 29, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399 "2010-07-29T01:23:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/161 "2010-07-30T17:10:03Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Because if it’s the latter, I’ll raise a variation of the Penn Gillette question about witnessing- how badly do you have to hate or at least be extraordinarily uncaring about someone to say nothing if you see them about to commit what you believe is a deeply soul-harming action? So presumably then you should spend Fridays outside mosques evangelizing to those going in. Telling them they were going to hell and worshipping a false god? Or do other religions soul-harming actions get a pass? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/162 "2010-07-30T17:16:56Z")
The anti-abortion brigade often refers to pregnancy as a temporary or minor inconvenience, and believes that adoption is THE answer to an unwanted pregnancy. Cause we all know that women, first and foremost, are baby-making machines. ETA: For an absolute abortion fundamentalist nightmare, read the story of [Nancy Klein](http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/27/nyregion/27folo.html?_r=1&ex=1112418000&en=e32e44fe14eec03e&ei=5070). ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/163 "2010-07-30T17:57:41Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > To Curtis- Is it so difficult to realize that you expressed your concern in a very hamhanded & uncompassionate way? Couldn’t you say something like “Hey, I’m sorry. I’m not always the most understanding or emotionally sensitive of people due to my Asperger’s and I just went into my automatic hyper-analytical mode. Yes, I am very deeply pro-life, and your post triggered that mode. I should have thought before I posted and considered your feelings. I am concerned that you two are about to go into something that you’ll regret deeply and will do great harm to you spiritually, and I do hope you find another way to deal with this. But please forgive me for my hamhanded condemning reaction.” > . Now that I think about it I do agree that my statement was said in a rude manner and should have written differently. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/164 "2010-07-30T17:59:59Z")
It would have been smarter and more compassionate not to write it at all. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/165 "2010-07-30T18:07:05Z")
Out of interest, how do you call someone’s depressed wife a murderer and accuse them of being an accessory to murder without it being “in a rude manner”? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/166 "2010-07-30T18:17:53Z")
So, are you going to apologize to the guy? ---
**Author:** ![cuberdon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/45deac/32.png) [@cuberdon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuberdon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/167 "2010-07-30T18:22:31Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Now that I think about it I do agree that my statement was said in a rude manner and should have written differently. Thank you for acknowledging that. I mean that in all seriousness. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/168 "2010-07-30T18:26:26Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Now that I think about it I do agree that my statement was said in a rude manner and should have written differently. Would you care to address my questions in post 116? ---
**Author:** ![cuberdon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/45deac/32.png) [@cuberdon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuberdon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/169 "2010-07-30T18:35:05Z")
\ Marley23, villa, Zsofia, PlainJain, Mr LeMay has taken an important step forward in acknowledging his behavior. This is a step that many on this board, even in this thread, have strongly wished for. Perhaps we can encourage him by acknowledging his advance in self awareness, instead of immediately chiming in with reasons why it is inadequate or incomplete. ---
**Author:** ![dmatsch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@dmatsch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dmatsch)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/170 "2010-07-30T18:38:41Z")
stop forcing your beliefs on people who think differently than you do, you fundamentalist moron. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/171 "2010-07-30T18:39:07Z")
**LouiseE** No. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/172 "2010-07-30T18:41:03Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > We justify it the same way we justify punishing rape as worse than “unauthorized rubbing”, because of the emotional trauma caused to the actual live people involved. Not because of the destruction of something that is farther from being a person than a hamster is. So, something like 35 states will prosecute someone who murders a pregnant woman of double homocide. Are yous aying that we add that second charge of homocide because of teh emotional distress caused by the loss of the fetus? :dubious: If the child is not a human life, why isn’t the murderer just charged with one homocide (and perhaps an appendectomy)? To use your analogy, we call rape “rape” because an actual rape occurred. if only unauthorized rubbing had occurred, we wouldn’t call it rape. but in this case, you are saying we are calling something murder even though murder didn’t actually occur (just the termination of a pregnancy) because it causes emotional distress? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/173 "2010-07-30T18:43:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If the child is not a human life, why isn’t the murderer just charged with one homocide (and perhaps an appendectomy)? Politics. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/174 "2010-07-30T18:44:51Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > > > > > Abortion is legal. If you have a problem with that, try to get the law changed and good luck. > > > > > > Other than that, only give your opinion when it’s asked for. > > > > [First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_amendment) > > The First Amendment only applies to the Government’s ability (or lack thereof) to control speech. it has no bearing on societies rules governing the proper usage and application of said speech in the public sphere and has zero bearing on this discussion. The Government did not shut down **Curtis** ’ ability to state his opinion, the other members of his society are correcting his improper use of that ability. The first amendment is what gives people the right to petition their government. It is also an amendment that has formed the basis for many of our cultural values. but you’re right, I’m not sure why I thought it was an appropriate cite for this situation.. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/175 "2010-07-30T18:53:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s charged as an aggravating circumstance of the crime against the woman. The woman is still the only victim. Nobody else was hurt. [http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/FetalHomicideLaws/tabid/14386/Default.aspx](http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/FetalHomicideLaws/tabid/14386/Default.aspx) A lot of states seem to have laws that seem to indicate that you get charged with murder if you kill the fetus. Maybe these laws are ill conceived but there they are. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/176 "2010-07-30T19:03:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > Well, there is this a commandment against killing. > > Which abortion is not, and which the Bible does not call murder. There are places, however, where God commands people to kill infants. > > A lot of states seem to think its murder. > > > [@](#): > > > > There is also a passage in the bible where I think the Mary (mother of Jesus) visits her 6 month pregnant cousin Elisabeth (mother of John the Baptist) and fetus John the baptist leaps in Elisabeth’s womb when he recognizes Jesus in Mary’s womb. > > It’s Luke. It says that the fetus jumped when Elisabeth saw Mary because Elisabeth was “filled with the Holy Ghost.” It does not say that the fetus thought or recognized anything, and it doesn’t say that Mary was pregnant yet. I thought the visit occurred after the angel came and told Mary that she was pregnant with the Son of God. I don’t remember where I read it but the leaping by John fetus was (I thought) due to the rpesence of Jesus. [Leviticus says that the penalty for killing a woman’ fetus is just a fine, by the way. It does not consider it to be murder. [/QUOTE] Leviticus says that the penalty for klilling a child up to 5 years of age is a fine. Is your point that the old testament drew a line that we would not draw today? “Leviticus 27:6 If the person is from a month old up to five years old, your valuation shall be…” 5 shekels for a boy and 3 shekels for a girl. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/177 "2010-07-30T19:05:56Z")
nvm ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/178 "2010-07-30T19:08:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > If the child is not a human life, why isn’t the murderer just charged with one homocide (and perhaps an appendectomy)? > > Politics. I could say the same thing for why the fedeal government has taken the determination away from the states. You don’t think there is a recognition (or at least some reservation about whether or not a fetus is a human life. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/179 "2010-07-30T19:12:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > [@Marley23](#): > > > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > > > If the child is not a human life, why isn’t the murderer just charged with one homocide (and perhaps an appendectomy)? > > > > Politics. > > I could say the same thing for why the fedeal government has taken the determination away from the states. > > You don’t think there is a recognition (or at least some reservation about whether or not a fetus is a human life. I’m not going to pretend the issue is cut and dried, no. Treating an embryo or a fetus as a person is ridiculous, treating it as nothing even close to a person is going too far in support of an argument that does not require it. But the answer to your question is politics. For a politician it’s easy to vote against an anti-abortion law but it’s almost impossible to vote against a law imposing harsher penalties on people who kill pregnant women. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399/180 "2010-07-30T19:19:47Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > (I must say, there’s something about the idea of Jesus posting on a Star Wars message board that just cracks me up.) And lo, the garden of my father isn’t for candy-asses who thinketh the prequel trilogy has redeeming factors ; for verily I tell thee, Empire was the the best of them, and George Lucas he did not have a hand in it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-life-fundamentalist-moron/548399.md?page=10)