"Pro-lifers want to control women's bodies" - Okay, but........why?

[Max_S]

@you_with_the_face

Okay, and why do you think this a high bar? Depending on the jurisdiction and how conservative the population is, enough evidence to win could boil down to very little. If people in a town don’t like a woman because she has tattoos and a bad reputation, she has a target on her back if she makes one false move while pregnant and then miscarries. Gets caught smoking? Drinking? Eating sliced deli meat? God forbid she falls down the stairs while doing all three things. A jury of her peers could totally vote guilty in this situation.

And then the case is appealed on timely objections and hopefully the innocent woman wins a retrial.

@you_with_the_face

This could happen, sure. I don’t expect to worry about this happening very often in a society where abortion is legal and accessible, though. I also don’t expect the state to barge into my home uninvited in a society that treats my right to privacy as a protected concern, irrespective of what is growing in my uterus.

Yes, but I would expect the police to barge into your home if a fetus has rights and abortion is illegal when medically necessary but legal and accessible when medically necessary.

@you_with_the_face

Uh, yeah. Ruling that a fetus is a legal person is no small thing; it changes what is at stake in the eyes of the law. It means the difference between being charged with murder and being charged with something less severe.

But you see, I don’t want my daughters to ever have to worry about whether their text messages will get them in trouble simply because they asked a friend about misoprostle or the morning after pill when their period is a month late. I would rather them get the help they need rather than be paralyzed by fear into inaction and silence. I don’t want them to be pulled into court to testify against a dear friend who got an abortion or had a suspicious miscarriage, and I don’t want that friend to go prison simply because she wasn’t mentally or emotionally prepared for a baby. I don’t want any of this madness to happen to any woman just because some man doesn’t see this nanny state madness as a big deal.

And I want my daughters and sons to realize that having unprotected sex (or even protected sex) means you might become pregnant, and that abortion is killing a person, and unjustified unless her life is in danger. After conception or brainwaves or whatever criteria, it’s too late to back out.

And if I took the position that non-procreative sex between fertile individuals is sinful, I would want my daughters and sons to know that too.

@you_with_the_face

We’ve been through this song and dance before, so we already know what happens when laws like the one you’re proposing occur. Your vision for the future may look neat, orderly, and fair in your mind, but all I’m seeing is dead women bleeding out alone and desperate in motel rooms. if you doubt me, go look link at that NSFW link that monstro shared earlier. Why you think we need to go back to that ugly time, I.Do.Not.Understand.

Don’t equate my position with the status quo before Roe v. Wade. I make exceptions for medical necessity and possibly rape victims, and I am all for sex education and state funding and availability of abortions that meet those criteria, and support services and even Planned Parenthood. I would even prefer to support measures increasing the availability of contraceptives, either because I support it or as a compromise (sinful women are better than dead sinful women and dead innocent babies). I support culpability of the father, and if I believe making sexual promiscuity a sin this applies to men as well as women.

~Max