# Pro-Obama Dems: No more Clinton-bashing, please! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 9, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776 "2008-03-09T23:13:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/41 "2008-03-10T13:59:02Z")
Try as I may, I simply cannot wrap my mind around the whole “better McCain than Hillary” mindset coming from people who supposedly consider themselves left of center. What has McCain ever done that indicates he is politically to the left of Hillary Clinton? Has he given any indication that he will support even a single issue of importance to the political left? Do these people really believe that, on issues that matter to them, the policies of a McCain administration are going to be in synch with their concerns? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/42 "2008-03-10T14:33:16Z")
Well, if Hillary is counting her time in the East Wing as though it were the West Wing for experience, then she has to take credit for NAFTA, DADT, Welfare Reform (Workfare), the bombing of a Sudanese factory, and a host of other not-very-left things. McCain is to her left on immigration, campaign finance, and congressional pork. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/43 "2008-03-10T14:49:59Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] the bombing of a Sudanese factory [/QUOTE] Did you see how we just spent over half a million bucks to [blow up a Somalii cow with a cruise missile](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/us-fails-a-fourth-time-to-hit-alqaida-suspect-in-somalia-793514.html)? This sort of cock up is practically a presidential _tradition_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/44 "2008-03-10T16:05:46Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] McCain is to her left on immigration, campaign finance, and congressional pork. [/QUOTE] How do you figure he’s too her left on immigration? Here’s a summary of her views… [http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Hillary\_Clinton\_Immigration.htm](http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Hillary_Clinton_Immigration.htm) and his: [http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John\_McCain\_Immigration.htm](http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Immigration.htm) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/45 "2008-03-10T16:40:09Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Did you see how we just spent over half a million bucks to [blow up a Somalii cow with a cruise missile](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/us-fails-a-fourth-time-to-hit-alqaida-suspect-in-somalia-793514.html)? This sort of cock up is practically a presidential _tradition_. 😃 [/QUOTE] This from the President who said that he wouldn’t use a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent to hit a camel in the butt? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/46 "2008-03-10T17:10:37Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] This from the President who said that he wouldn’t use a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent to hit a camel in the butt? [/QUOTE] To be fair, he still hasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/47 "2008-03-10T17:17:35Z")
[QUOTE=ErmesMarana] Clinton is just as likely as McCain to stack the Supreme Court for the foreseeable future with social conservative judges (pro life, anti gay marriage, against stem cell research, etc). [/QUOTE] Now, **that** I very much doubt. What do you base it on? ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/48 "2008-03-10T20:05:57Z")
Until I get the opportunity to ACTUALLY bash Frau Blucher, I will continue to verbally do so until my tongue falls from my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/49 "2008-03-10T21:16:22Z")
Heh, I am a Pro-Obama Republican, so I don’t have any party loyalty, to either party to be honest. I may just vote for McCain if Hillary gets the nod, particularly if she shatters the party in her vain quest for glory. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/50 "2008-03-10T21:25:47Z")
[QUOTE=Jolly Roger] …and apparently [she can’t even run a campaign](http://www.newsweek.com/id/120274?GT1=43001). (which, I suppose is evident). Yet she’s supposed to be the one that can get a call at 3 AM and solve a major crisis? I think we’re in for more Hillary bashing, alright. [/QUOTE] The obvious and stark differences between how well managed the two campaigns are is the best evidence of executive potential. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/51 "2008-03-10T22:00:36Z")
And what exactly constitutes “bashing?” Critiques of her campaign management and strategies? Problems with her policies and various votes? Harsh words? Mentioning that we don’t like her and plan to not vote for her. Obviously the easiest way would be to adhere to Hillary’s own rather strict standards which are anything up to and including actual physical bashing. Will the pro-hillary dems be held to this as Obama may still become the nominee? Lastly, why bother? Hillary has already thrown Obama under the bus, choosing to unfavorably compare his experience to McCain’s (and whatever happened to Obama being a career politician. Doesn’t that grade school essay mean he has a lifetime of experience as well?). Why should the Obama-ites (as it’s been phrased so quaintly on the boards) play nice when the other side has zero intention of doing the same? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/52 "2008-03-10T22:14:25Z")
[QUOTE=Harborwolf] Why should the Obama-ites (as it’s been phrased so quaintly on the boards) play nice when the other side has zero intention of doing the same? [/QUOTE] Because she’s much more vulnerable than he is to Pubs, later this year, citing this or that from the primaries and saying, “See, even Democrats despise her/him!” IOW, just for the sake of our (presumably) shared goal of getting the Pubs out of the WH. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/53 "2008-03-10T22:57:48Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Because she’s much more vulnerable than he is to Pubs, later this year, citing this or that from the primaries and saying, “See, even Democrats despise her/him!” [/quote] I look forward to seeing myself cited in a John McCain ad. “Even noted democrat Harborwolf won’t vote for Hillary Clinton. Why should you?” 😉 While I understand your point, it is much too late to even attempt to play nice. As has been noted, Hillary has already nuked the “party fellowship” bridge from orbit. I’ll continue to say whatever I feel is appropriate with regards to Senator Clinton. And to be honest, I’m not a democrat and I’m perfectly happy with Bush and his administration out of office. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/54 "2008-03-10T23:29:23Z")
I kinda get a kick out of watching the Clinton and Obama faction butt heads. It’s like watching Dunkin’ Donuts & Starbucks customers arguing over who makes the best coffee. _ETA: \ between butt & heads._ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/55 "2008-03-10T23:32:13Z")
So, Obama is Beavis? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/56 "2008-03-10T23:33:47Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] So, Obama is Beavis? [/QUOTE] Hope he doesn’t go all Cornholio. That could really hurt his chances, unless the american people also want t.p. for their bungholes. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/57 "2008-03-10T23:38:16Z")
Is it any surprise that a thread asking the Hillary-haters to cool it would be immediately flooded by Hillary-hatred? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/58 "2008-03-10T23:58:25Z")
In a board full of rewarmed, rehashed, futile arguments, I have a hard time thinking of anything more futile than these “Please stop posting political comments I don’t like!” threads. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/59 "2008-03-11T00:02:36Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] I voted for Obama myself in the primary (the Florida primary, HA! ☹ ), but face facts: It’s still entirely possible, at this point, that she **might** be the nominee. You should say nothing in the primaries that will reinforce the memes the Pubs will be using against her in the general. We **cannot** afford to risk another Republican administration! [/QUOTE] If she wins the nomination I will, with great reluctance and choking back the bile, vote for her rather than John McCain or any third party candidate. Good enough? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776/60 "2008-03-11T00:03:11Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Is it any surprise that a thread asking the Hillary-haters to cool it would be immediately flooded by Hillary-hatred? [/QUOTE] I don’t know why it would be a surprise. Good on you for pointing out the obvious though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-obama-dems-no-more-clinton-bashing-please/440776.md?page=4)