# Pro-Russians in Ukraine demand Jews register or be deported **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 17, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348 "2014-04-17T16:13:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/1 "2014-04-17T16:13:32Z")
They’ll have to pay a registration fee as well, and failure to comply will result in confiscation of their property and assets. > [@](#): > > Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to “register” with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Israeli media. > > Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city’s Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee “or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated,” reported Ynet News, Israel’s largest news website. > **[Leaflet tells Jews to register in East Ukraine](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/)** > > Pro-Russia group says Jews face threat of deportation. Wasn’t Putin and his pro-Russian co-conspirators claiming Kiev was anti-semitic? Pot, meet kettle I guess. Isn’t Russia also forcibly displacing native Crimean Tartars? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/2 "2014-04-17T16:20:59Z")
If it’s true I can’t think of an easier way to make the lines clear. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/3 "2014-04-17T16:45:37Z")
I feel as though we’ve been down this road before. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/4 "2014-04-17T16:48:04Z")
This just gives Putin a chance to be the white knight for eastern Ukrainian Jews by telling those pro-Russians to knock it off. There is no such policy for Jews in Russia (is there?) so why should they have such a policy in the part of Ukraine that wants to join Russia? What are they, dumb? Like a fox! ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/5 "2014-04-17T16:50:02Z")
If true, makes me sick. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/6 "2014-04-17T16:53:42Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > This just gives Putin a chance to be the white knight for eastern Ukrainian Jews by telling those pro-Russians to knock it off. There is no such policy for Jews in Russia (is there?) so why should they have such a policy in the part of Ukraine that wants to join Russia? > > What are they, dumb? > > Like a fox! Well, the Putin-controlled Russian media will probably say it’s really a western-backed fascist false flag operation, and Putin will say it’s for the Jews’ own good/safety/etc. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/7 "2014-04-17T16:54:06Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > If it’s true I can’t think of an easier way to make the lines clear. If true, it makes the lines even _less_ clear, because it looks like both sides may be tainted by anti-semitism now. But anyway, I am sure that both for most ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians involved in this, what happens with the Jews is pretty much a minor side issue. The fact is that anti-semitism has deep popular roots in the region, and Jews are likely to better off if their region is controlled by a strong central government, whether from Moscow or Kiev\*, than if it is controlled by local militia of any (non-Jewish) ethnicity. In this part of the world, Jews get it worst, from both sides, when there is political instability, conflict, and social unrest. ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬ \*That is assuming that the fascistic, Ukrainian nationalist elements do not gain too much control the Kiev government, as may well happen. In that case, Jews are definitely going to better off under the Putin regime in Moscow, which may not be as democratic as we would like, and which may not be free of all taint of anti-semitism, but is relatively stable and has no interest in allowing the rule of law to be undermined by the social unrest attendant on pogroms. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/8 "2014-04-17T17:00:30Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > I feel as though we’ve been down this road before. ☹ To be fair, when I heard that Russia might need to invade to protect cultural Russians inside Crimea I had that same feeling. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/9 "2014-04-17T17:02:18Z")
A pro-EU Ukrainian government won’t tolerate anti-semitism, and the new government has been actively and visibly cracking down on its own right wing elements. Putin is actively stoking nationalist fervor and basking in global white Christian conservative homophobic hate so I’m going to give Kiev the benefit of the doubt for now. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/10 "2014-04-17T17:11:26Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > To be fair, when I heard that Russia might need to invade to protect cultural Russians inside Crimea I had that same feeling. Right, it sounds very much like the noises Nazi Germany made immediately before, during, and after the annexation of Sudetenland. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/11 "2014-04-17T17:35:06Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > If true, it makes the lines even _less_ clear, because it looks like both sides may be tainted by anti-semitism now. Is there any real evidence that the government in Ukraine is anti-semitic? Other than the Russians repeatedly accusing them of being Nazis? It was already a pretty thin accusation and it’s now become ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/12 "2014-04-17T17:39:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is there any real evidence that the government in Ukraine is anti-semitic? Other than the Russians repeatedly accusing them of being Nazis? It was already a pretty thin accusation and it’s now become ridiculous. In the article I linked in the OP, a Jewish resident of Donetsk states she’s never experienced anti-semitism before this. So, Russian claims of Ukrainian anti-semitism would seem to be exaggerated bullshit. When pro-Russians overthrow the local government? Anti-semitism rears its ugly head. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/13 "2014-04-17T21:02:44Z")
Hillary Clinton’s comment about Putin’s actions resembling Hitler’s doesn’t sound so preposterous now. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/14 "2014-04-17T21:49:45Z")
CNN seems to be backpedaling a little from initial reports, Yes, there are fliers but [it’s not clear who produced them.](http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/ukraine-religious-threats/index.html?hpt=hp_t2) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/15 "2014-04-18T01:13:08Z")
A friend of mine posted an article about this on Facebook earlier today – I brushed it off, thinking it was probably from some right-wing conspiracy site. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/16 "2014-04-18T01:18:45Z")
LOL. As if. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/17 "2014-04-18T01:40:54Z")
My initial gut reaction, not based on any further information and without knowing anything more than this, is that it’s worth taking whatever steps are necessary to protect the Jews living there, up to and including armed intervention by NATO. Obviously, we need more information, but we cannot stand by and let this happen. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/18 "2014-04-18T01:51:34Z")
Hey\*\* TokyoBayer\*\*, did you know that if you say orange slowly it sounds like gullible? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/19 "2014-04-18T02:11:59Z")
> [@BrokenBriton](#): > > Hey\*\* TokyoBayer\*\*, did you know that if you say orange slowly it sounds like gullible? Your implication that this is a phony story to gin up Western support for NATO intervention in Ukraine…? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348/20 "2014-04-18T02:36:56Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Your implication that this is a phony story to gin up Western support for NATO intervention in Ukraine…? Phony story? [Kind of](http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/ukraine.asp). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-russians-in-ukraine-demand-jews-register-or-be-deported/686348.md?page=2)