# Pro Teams should use busses (Tyreek Hill) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [September 10, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038 "2024-09-10T00:48:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/41 "2024-09-10T22:05:52Z")
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**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/42 "2024-09-10T22:07:24Z")
Failure to exit the car when told to do so is “Resisting w/o violence” People get arrested for it all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/43 "2024-09-10T22:20:07Z")
Resisting what? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/44 "2024-09-10T22:26:12Z")
[Resisting an Officer without Violence Attorney in Miami | Stroleny Law, P.A.](https://strolenylaw.com/obstruction-of-justice/resisting-an-officer-without-violence/#:~:text=The%20charge%20of%20resisting%20an,be%20reasons%20for%20the%20charge). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/45 "2024-09-10T22:29:11Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > What are they going to arrest him for, bad attitude? > [@](#): > > Disobeying a lawful order of a police officer carries higher penalties to those who refuse to follow orders lawfully issued by an officer of the law. It’s a second-degree misdemeanor, meaning its punishable by up to 60 days in jail, six months of probation and/ or a $500 fine. From here: > **[Failure to Obey a Police Officer | Fort Lauderdale Criminal Defense Lawyer](https://www.ansaralaw.com/failure-to-obey-a-police-officer.html)** > > Free Consultation - Call (954) 761-4011 - The Ansara Law Firm aggressively represents the accused against charges in Criminal Defense & Crime cases. Failure to Obey a Police Officer - Fort Lauderdale Criminal Defense Lawyer > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > The current bodycam video cuts off before Calais Campbell was sitting on the ground in handcuffs as well. That part is pretty hard to criticize. If I walked up to a group of officers in the middle of an arrest and tried to argue with them, I would expect to be arrested. > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > The cop grabbing him and dragging him backwards lost the department any lawsuit, multiple times, with his actions. Are you talking about when he was removed from the car, or a different moment? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/46 "2024-09-10T22:33:10Z")
Talking on a phone during a traffic stop is probably a bad idea. I understand the desire to ask for help from a Agent or Rep from the team. But, Tyreek Hill needed to give the Officers his full attention and cooperate. I might make that mistake too. Trying to call home. Do that later after the Officers say it’s OK. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/47 "2024-09-10T22:39:00Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Failure to exit the car when told to do so is “Resisting w/o violence” People get arrested for it all the time. The cops need to actually give him a chance to comply. They didn’t. > [@Babale](#): > > That part is pretty hard to criticize. If I walked up to a group of officers in the middle of an arrest and tried to argue with them, I would expect to be arrested. That’s patently absurd. He wasn’t interfering. Being a bystander is not a crime and with the current state of policing, I think we want as many bystanders as possible recording and witnessing the event. > [@aceplace57](#): > > Talking on a phone during a traffic stop is probably a bad idea. > > I understand the desire to ask for help from a Agent or Rep from the team. But, Tyreek Hill needed to give the Officers his full attention and cooperate. > > I might make that mistake too. Trying to call home. Do that later after the Officers say it’s OK. I don’t agree. Cops have not earned that trust. Were I a wealthy famous black person, I’d damn well want my lawyer and the team’s security informed well before I was in custody. Lots of people have chosen to comply with officers only to find their ability to use their phone and get help stripped away. Ultimately cops need to understand that they are not god-kings and immediate and penitent compliance should not be expected or mandated. There’s a difference between delaying and resisting. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/48 "2024-09-10T23:00:12Z")
[quote=“Omniscient, post:47, topic:1007038, full:true”] > [@Pavelb1](#): > > Failure to exit the car when told to do so is “Resisting w/o violence” People get arrested for it all the time. The cops need to actually give him a chance to comply. They didn’t. I didnt argue they did. I’m saying thats the excuse they’re making to throw him to the ground, and if he wasnt Tyreek Fucking Hill in Miami on game day, he’d have been taken downtown Also, police are not obliged to let people call people, and complete phone calls…but I posit its a nebulous area right now until solid laws have been put in place. I’d think its fine to be on the phone as long as the person pulled over is complying with instructions. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/49 "2024-09-10T23:23:46Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Being a bystander is not a crime and with the current state of policing, I think we want as many bystanders as possible recording and witnessing the event. I agree - if he stood by and recorded I wouldn’t criticize him. But it sounds like he tried to intervene on behalf of Hill, which I don’t think is appropriate. > [@Omniscient](#): > > Ultimately cops need to understand that they are not god-kings and immediate and penitent compliance should not be expected or mandated. There’s a difference between delaying and resisting. Compliance with lawful orders from police officers should be expected to be followed. Anything else is anarchy. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/50 "2024-09-10T23:32:03Z")
This discussion reminds me of an anecdote from a handful of years ago. I used to have to support an office in Bellevue, WA in my job (before I moved to supporting a different geographical region of the state). Driving in and out of that city is no picnic so I always used GPS to guide me around traffic as well as I could (it always sucked regardless). One route I took sometimes would take me right past the VMAC, or Virginia Mason Athletic Center, which is where the Seattle Seahawks practice. One morning I was driving to that Bellevue office and my GPS was taking me on the route that went past the VMAC. And at some point I was behind a beautiful red Porsche. And that car had a personalized license plate that just said “PORSCHE”. As I’m driving, I’m thinking, who the heck drives a car like this?! As I get to the part where I’m passing the VMAC on the left, that car turns and drives into the VMAC. Which just made me wonder again… Who was I driving behind for miles?! I’d guess a player, though it could have been one of the coaches too I suppose. (By the way, whoever they were, they drove perfectly fine; a safe but not slow speed, and obeying all traffic laws, and they signaled when they turned into the center. Kudos to that person.) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/51 "2024-09-10T23:46:10Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > I didnt argue they did. I’m saying thats the excuse they’re making to throw him to the ground, and if he wasnt Tyreek Fucking Hill in Miami on game day, he’d have been taken downtown Or maybe the other police officers realized how criminally extra Mr. Torres was being, and knew how fucked they would all be by continuing to escalate the situation with him. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/52 "2024-09-10T23:58:56Z")
Possibly, but Tyreek himself said “Can you imagine what would have happened if I wern’t Tyreek Hill?” ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/53 "2024-09-10T23:59:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Compliance with lawful orders from police officers should be expected to be followed. Anything else is anarchy. Police consider everything they say as a lawful order. There’s a middle you’ve excluded between “anarchy” and a bunch of petty, violent dictators ruling the streets. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/54 "2024-09-11T00:10:55Z")
What if he was white? We can play the hypothetical parts all day long, but to simply ascribe the lack of stupidity escalation to only because someone knows who he is and nothing else, is to minimize the contributions of the officers who DID try to act professionally. Officer Torres was placed on administrative leave before the public actually saw his actions. That should be plenty of evidence that everyone involved knew he fucked up. I mean, seriously - the dude combined roid rage with “RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/55 "2024-09-11T00:14:30Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Possibly, but Tyreek himself said “Can you imagine what would have happened if I wern’t Tyreek Hill?” Well, he might not have felt entitled to tell a police officer to shove it and close his window on him if he wasn’t a famous big shot footballer, so perhaps none of this would have happened if he wasn’t Tyreek Hill. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/56 "2024-09-11T00:15:02Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Police consider everything they say as a lawful order. Thankfully we don’t live in a police state so it’s not their call to make. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/57 "2024-09-11T00:17:54Z")
Seriously. (Im agreeing with you). How can you even live day to day raging out like that. Can you imagine the adrenaline flow?? Dude must have been shaking for ten minutes after. There are tons of videos out there where the cops let the entitled (And yes, i do think Tyreek acted entitled ar first) person do their thing for a bit. Then you ratchet it up. You tell them you’re gonna break the window. Step out. Give them a chance. Torres said step out like 7 times in 7 seconds then it was straight to the ground. Then pushing him to his knees after? (Jason Bateman) :" No. No. No nononoonono." Im glad hes being disciplined. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/58 "2024-09-11T00:43:16Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Thankfully we don’t live in a police state so it’s not their call to make. They sure seemed to think it was their call in the videos I’ve seen of the incident. > [@Pavelb1](#): > > And yes, i do think Tyreek acted entitled ar first I hope I never made it seem like I felt Hill wasn’t being an ass, because he absolutely was. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/59 "2024-09-11T01:47:17Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > There are tons of videos out there where the cops let the entitled (And yes, i do think Tyreek acted entitled ar first) person do their thing for a bit. Then you ratchet it up. You tell them you’re gonna break the window. Step out. Give them a chance. And after years of handling SovCits exactly this way, turning a 5 minute routine stop ending with a warning into a 45 minutes of non-compliance ending with broken glass and used Tasers probes, lots of departments are not allowing things to go on that long anymore. Rolling up the window in the middle of the interaction was classic SovCit behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038/60 "2024-09-11T01:51:58Z")
I’d give Tyreek a little bit of leeway. I’m sure the team security has instructed the players to contact them if there’s ever an incident with the police. Considering Tyreek’s previous legal troubles, I imagine his lawyer has a similar policy. Him stalling and wanting to reach out to his people before giving the police control isn’t necessarily asshole behavior. Upon first reports I expected Tyreek to be big timing them and dropping the “do you know who I am” line. Maybe even being verbally combative. But the tape doesn’t show anything like that. Apart from not fully complying by rolling down the window he wasn’t being difficult. And once the cops laid hands on him he was completely calm and reasonable all things considered. Whatever Tyreek’s history is, this isn’t a great example of any bad behavior on his part. His supposed noncompliance is being wildly exaggerated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pro-teams-should-use-busses-tyreek-hill/1007038.md?page=4)