# Probably my last topic regarding my beef with social and political issues **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 17, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716 "2018-03-17T06:07:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/21 "2018-03-18T03:56:22Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > Incidents like that one are a fluke, they don’t really affect society very much in a big-picture sense. The graphic you linked to also misspelled the person’s name. [Here](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-become-men-at-wellesley-college.html) is a story from the New York Times. The goings-on at a little east-cost liberal arts college bubble are nothing to get too worked up over. True, we can only the epidemic doesn’t get too big… ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/22 "2018-03-18T04:20:12Z")
Oh you 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/23 "2018-03-18T04:35:11Z")
Child please;) ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/24 "2018-03-18T04:51:39Z")
Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/25 "2018-03-18T05:21:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > As far as I can tell, intersectionality is just the concept that various forms of bigotry and marginalization in society can interact with each other in complex ways. I don’t think it tells us any hard and fast rules – by that I mean that it doesn’t say anything like “a black man will always have a more difficult time than a white woman” – it just indicates that these are powerful but also very complex aspects of our society and culture, and get even more complex when they “intersect”, and can be neither described nor addressed simply. Exactly. It has nothing to do with green-eyed Asians or whatever garbage the OP is peddling. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/26 "2018-03-18T05:21:40Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Bullshit. That’s just not nice. > [@Luciano700](#): > > Oh you 😛 I said exactly what you said. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Oh you 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/27 "2018-03-18T05:27:36Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Bullshit. Isn’t it nice when people with diverse opinions come together and reach an agreement about a topic? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/28 "2018-03-18T05:33:14Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > Exactly. It has nothing to do with green-eyed Asians or whatever garbage the OP is peddling. Right. > [@Luciano700](#): > > **I am not an alt-righter, not even close** I think the evidence contradicts this as of now. > [@](#): > > But I will say I am anti-intersectionality, even some libs find this shit confusing as hell > > I will admit intersectionality itself is a very interesting dynamic, since it basically for beginners tends to combine the two most basic human biological classes, I think the dynamic loses its use though when you have to add 100+ classes into the combination. Redundant ones such as right-handed, hazel eyes, extroverted, college-educated, attractvice, etc and it’s overly abused by hardcore intersectionality liberals. > When I post some stats and add an MRA vibe into my posts, that’s not me at ALL trying to pose as an alt righter. Is just me trying to debunk this stupid dynamic. Men of color have the higher incarceration rates, white women make up 90% of sexual assault victims. So do those still get the privilege so to speak? No. No posing at all. Could you try again to explain about the black men and the white women? Do they get to talk or not? Who is saying that they do or not? What do they get to talk about? > [@](#): > > Is just a stupid dynamic, I can’t even figure out where I belong myself. > > What about mixed race people, can they even qualify for the dynamic? And why obsess with the dynamic when America still has its black vs white racial game anyways… > > Also, the intersectionality theory is debunked big time too when perhaps The Rock is more successful than most white guys out there. Yes, yes. Mixture is rather the point of the whole thing. NO ONE is only one thing. A person should consider that no one is only one thing when they look at the other person and consider their life circumstances. The whole trying to walk a mile in their shoes thing. I’m leaving your statement about Dwayne Johnson. The man makes me smile. I don’t think he debunks anything. He is definitely a mixture. Aren’t we all. ETA: I’m including **iiandyiiii** ’s post again, because maybe you’ll read it this time. Not enough Rock in it, but you can’t have everything. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > As far as I can tell, intersectionality is just the concept that various forms of bigotry and marginalization in society can interact with each other in complex ways. I don’t think it tells us any hard and fast rules – by that I mean that it doesn’t say anything like “a black man will always have a more difficult time than a white woman” – it just indicates that these are powerful but also very complex aspects of our society and culture, and get even more complex when they “intersect”, and can be neither described nor addressed simply. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/29 "2018-03-18T12:41:54Z")
Maybe they should have called it “_n_-dimensional Venn-diagramality.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/30 "2018-03-18T14:25:19Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Bullshit. [Carnac the Magnificent:](https://www.google.com/search?q=johnny+carson+carnac+gif&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIy5i4ifbZAhXO6J8KHbZqALkQ_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=734#imgrc=FkznJEHtvkwPyM:) “What cow pastures and Luciano700 posts are full of.” ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/31 "2018-03-18T16:15:23Z")
i was quoting QuickSilver when I typed in bullshit, lmao Alright, alright sheesh. Is just a dynamic that’s abused from time to time. Here are the links regarding my 2 statements, regarding men of color and white women [https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF](https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF) [https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencinghttps://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing](https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencinghttps://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/32 "2018-03-18T16:48:28Z")
Go take a long walk. You could use some fresh air and exercise. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/33 "2018-03-18T16:52:25Z")
At least 7 hrs.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/34 "2018-03-18T17:45:50Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Go take a long walk. You could use some fresh air and exercise. Already did like 3 weeks ago 😃 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/35 "2018-03-18T17:50:47Z")
Sure, but now you know how to find the front door so you won’t have to keep circling the house for quite so long trying to find the way inside. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/36 "2018-03-18T18:03:10Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Oh you 😛 > If you want to know a perfect example of how destructive and cancerous this dynamic is then look no further than > [http://i.magaimg.net/img/zxi.jpg](http://i.magaimg.net/img/zxi.jpg) > > And again why use the dynamic when Americans still love to act as if blacks and whites are the only 2 races to exist not just in the country, but the entire planet. What does your linked information have to do with intersectionality? I think the gist of the message there is that somebody is using criteria for diversity that are limited to race and gender, and overlooking other kinds of diversity. The candidate described does not belong to any minoritized race or gender, so they don’t see any diversity value there. For one thing, I think they’re using too narrow a description of diversity. For another thing, I have no idea how accurate this cite is. I’m not even attempting to vet it. I’m setting aside any skepticism on that front. But you give it as an example of a problem with the idea (the “dynamic”?) of intersectionality. Could you please clue me in? What does the thing you cite have to do with intersectionality? What point are you making? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/37 "2018-03-18T18:09:04Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > i was quoting QuickSilver when I typed in bullshit, lmao > Alright, alright sheesh. Is just a dynamic that’s abused from time to time. > > Here are the links regarding my 2 statements, regarding men of color and white women > [Home | Bureau of Justice Statistics](https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF) > > [https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencinghttps://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing](https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencinghttps://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing) Cites are good. Let’s move on to how to use them. The first one is from 1997. Usually, I would ask you for something more recent BUT we’re going for technique. YOU need to tell US what these CITES have to do with your statement. Does it speak to incaercation, race, gender, assault, all of them? Most importantly, what does that have to do with your OP about intersectionality and WHO CAN TALK (still waiting to find out about what). Yes, we can look at them and read them and get educated. Guess what, like your statement about autistism the other day, a lot of us already have some knowledge. Make your cite pertinent to your argument. Again, please, what is your belief about POC of color in prison and white women and rape, and their ability to speak, or not speak, or can some of them speak, and about what? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/38 "2018-03-18T18:14:03Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > What does your linked information have to do with intersectionality? I think the gist of the message there is that somebody is using criteria for diversity that are limited to race and gender, and overlooking other kinds of diversity. The candidate described does not belong to any minoritized race or gender, so they don’t see any diversity value there. > > For one thing, I think they’re using too narrow a description of diversity. > > For another thing, I have no idea how accurate this cite is. I’m not even attempting to vet it. I’m setting aside any skepticism on that front. > > But you give it as an example of a problem with the idea (the “dynamic”?) of intersectionality. Could you please clue me in? What does the thing you cite have to do with intersectionality? What point are you making? > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Cites are good. Let’s move on to how to use them. The first one is from 1997. Usually, I would ask you for something more recent BUT we’re going for technique. > > YOU need to tell US what these CITES have to do with your statement. Does it speak to incaercation, race, gender, assault, all of them? Most importantly, what does that have to do with your OP about intersectionality and WHO CAN TALK (still waiting to find out about what). > > Yes, we can look at them and read them and get educated. Guess what, like your statement about autistism the other day, a lot of us already have some knowledge. Make your cite pertinent to your argument. > > Again, please, what is your belief about POC of color in prison and white women and rape, and their ability to speak, or not speak, or can some of them speak, and about what? I applaud your efforts but I speak from experience when I say, give up now. Nothing but madness lies beyond. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/39 "2018-03-18T18:23:09Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Already did like 3 weeks ago 😃 You can’t walk every 3 weeks and expect any benefit. That’s not gonna do it. I would like to see more dedication on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/40 "2018-03-18T19:02:34Z")
I am not sure if you are all trying to dodge the bullet here or not, but ok. Intersectional theorists claim all men and white people one way or the other are privileged and protected regardless if one class dismissed them, but that’s not correct To imply Hispanic/black men and white woman can benefit from their race or gender vice versa is too much. For God sake’s black men also have the highest infanticide rate and number of high school dropout, yet we are implying they are privileged? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716.md?page=3)