# Probably my last topic regarding my beef with social and political issues **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 17, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716 "2018-03-17T06:07:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/41 "2018-03-18T19:08:09Z")
Not what “dodge the bullet” means. Walk. Now. OUT! ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/42 "2018-03-18T19:10:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Not what “dodge the bullet” means. > > Walk. Now. OUT! [![](http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/050a97996c79df9158715abf4744a3348fdbed-wm.jpg?v=3) ](http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/050a97996c79df9158715abf4744a3348fdbed-wm.jpg?v=3) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/43 "2018-03-18T19:12:09Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I am not sure if you are all trying to dodge the bullet here or not, but ok. > > Intersectional theorists claim all men and white people one way or the other are privileged and protected regardless if one class dismissed them, but that’s not correct > > To imply Hispanic/black men and white woman can benefit from their race or gender vice versa is too much. For God sake’s black men also have the highest infanticide rate and number of high school dropout, yet we are implying they are privileged? It’s a little more nuanced than that. And a whole lot less important in any event. Try reading the post from **iiandyiii** ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/44 "2018-03-18T19:24:07Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Go take a long walk. Doesn’t that phrase usually include mention of a short pier? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/45 "2018-03-18T19:31:33Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I am not sure if you are all trying to dodge the bullet here or not, but ok. No one is trying to dodge a bullet. We do not understand your arguments. You are getting closer, but still not there. Intersectionality claims that privilege is more complicated that one state. One is not simply white. One may be white and female, or Samoan and the Rock. Intersections (if we must use that word) impact our privilege. You are, I think, too hung up on the word “privilege”. It does not in this context mean the same thing to every person. Black privilege is NOT the same as white privilege. Privilege is the construct the theory is using to try to explain that. Try experience, as a sum total, instead. Is black experience the same as white experience? Is black female the same as white female experience? Are there some ways in which female experience, regardless of race, are more similar than dis-similar? Are there some ways in which females, with a deep well of shared experience, will also have diverging experience based on myriad other factors, such as race, socio-economic status, land of birth, and so on? Of course there are. Is privilege at some point a helpful label to apply? Yes and no. Some of those experiential differences are clearly a net benefit, and furthermore often an unknown net benefit to that group. Privilege in that sense can help to call that out. Privilege is not always helpful because is confuses people at a base level of the conversation. > [@](#): > > Intersectional theorists claim all men and white people one way or the other are privileged and protected regardless if one class dismissed them, but that’s not correct This is where you need to work on your argument. You have stated your point of view, but have not made your case. Candidly, I also don’t follow your point of view. Please restate this and then explain why you think so. > [@](#): > > **To imply Hispanic/black men and white woman can benefit from their race or gender vice versa is too much.** For God sake’s black men also have the highest infanticide rate and number of high school dropout, yet we are implying they are privileged? As above, I think you are mistaken about the use of the word privilege in the context of the theory. I would also argue that you are incorrect about the bolded portion above. Of course, people can benefit from their race and/or gender. Are you saying that white men and white men alone are always at the top of any social or economic interaction? I find that to be an overly simplistic interpretation of life, not to mention narrowly focused geographically. Finally, you seem to be discussing institutional racism and intersectionality as different issues. These are not unrelated, but intersectionality is basically another tool to give you insight into the complexity of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/46 "2018-03-18T20:12:15Z")
I feel schooled on that subject. Luc700 you getting any of this? And, no one is dodging bullets. You are dodging the proof you need to make your case. Your o.p. is wishy-washy at best, and means very little in a real world application. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/47 "2018-03-18T20:49:41Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I applaud your efforts but I speak from experience when I say, give up now. Nothing but madness lies beyond. Don’t be too sure. I just got applause, and it only took like ten minutes. Who knows what other strokes might just fall in my lap? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/48 "2018-03-18T21:02:20Z")
Bets on whether he’s coming back? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/49 "2018-03-18T21:03:58Z")
With or without pie? ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/50 "2018-03-18T21:04:59Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > No one is trying to dodge a bullet. We do not understand your arguments. You are getting closer, but still not there. > > Intersectionality claims that privilege is more complicated that one state. One is not simply white. One may be white and female, or Samoan and the Rock. Intersections (if we must use that word) impact our privilege. > > You are, I think, too hung up on the word “privilege”. It does not in this context mean the same thing to every person. Black privilege is NOT the same as white privilege. Privilege is the construct the theory is using to try to explain that. > > Try experience, as a sum total, instead. Is black experience the same as white experience? Is black female the same as white female experience? Are there some ways in which female experience, regardless of race, are more similar than dis-similar? Are there some ways in which females, with a deep well of shared experience, will also have diverging experience based on myriad other factors, such as race, socio-economic status, land of birth, and so on? Of course there are. > > Is privilege at some point a helpful label to apply? Yes and no. Some of those experiential differences are clearly a net benefit, and furthermore often an unknown net benefit to that group. Privilege in that sense can help to call that out. Privilege is not always helpful because is confuses people at a base level of the conversation. > > This is where you need to work on your argument. You have stated your point of view, but have not made your case. Candidly, I also don’t follow your point of view. Please restate this and then explain why you think so. > > As above, I think you are mistaken about the use of the word privilege in the context of the theory. I would also argue that you are incorrect about the bolded portion above. Of course, people can benefit from their race and/or gender. Are you saying that white men and white men alone are always at the top of any social or economic interaction? I find that to be an overly simplistic interpretation of life, not to mention narrowly focused geographically. > > Finally, you seem to be discussing institutional racism and intersectionality as different issues. These are not unrelated, but intersectionality is basically another tool to give you insight into the complexity of the problem. Is true that intersectionality is not an easy thing to discuss, but you know :o ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/51 "2018-03-18T21:07:50Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Is true that intersectionality is not an easy thing to discuss, but you know :o You didn’t understand a word of that did you? …no pie either, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/52 "2018-03-18T21:20:09Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Bullshit. Finally, I can post this without getting dinged for altering quotes. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/53 "2018-03-18T21:23:41Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You didn’t understand a word of that did you? > > …no pie either, I suppose. Too slow. 😃 I like pie though. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/54 "2018-03-18T21:35:27Z")
Warning issued You don’t get to skirt the rules by linking to an insult. > [@Luciano700](#): > > [http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/050a97996c79df9158715abf4744a3348fdbed-wm.jpg?v=3](http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/050a97996c79df9158715abf4744a3348fdbed-wm.jpg?v=3) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/55 "2018-03-18T21:42:48Z")
Am I the only one who assumed that was meant as a self-deprecating remark by the OP? ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/56 "2018-03-18T23:31:21Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I am not sure if you are all trying to dodge the bullet here or not, but ok. > > \*\*Intersectional theorists claim all men and white people one way or the other are privileged and protected regardless if one class dismissed them, but that’s not correct \*\* > > To imply Hispanic/black men and white woman can benefit from their race or gender vice versa is too much. For God sake’s black men also have the highest infanticide rate and number of high school dropout, yet we are implying they are privileged? Intersectionality claims no such thing. This is the simplest article I could find. Intersectionality doesn’t imply anything beyond what’s said in it. If you refuse to understand it on its own terms and insist on adding your own, that’s your ignorant choice and it’s not worth anyone’s time to spend more of it on you. > **[What is intersectionality, and what does it have to do with me?](https://www.ywboston.org/what-is-intersectionality-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-me/)** > > Here at YW Boston, intersectionality is central to the work we do. > We know that everyone reading this has come to follow YW Boston’s work from different entry points. Some of us hold women's empowerment close to heart, perhaps seeking a more... ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/57 "2018-03-19T02:46:00Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > Intersectionality claims no such thing. This is the simplest article I could find. Intersectionality doesn’t imply anything beyond what’s said in it. If you refuse to understand it on its own terms and insist on adding your own, that’s your ignorant choice and it’s not worth anyone’s time to spend more of it on you. > > [What is intersectionality, and what does it have to do with me? | YW Boston](http://www.ywboston.org/2017/03/what-is-intersectionality-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-me/) Yes I agree that’s a totally much better way to look at it, just wished I would stop having to hear a mix like “Mexican black Muslim trans midget obese autistic disabled female animal” There we go, just listed every opressed class in one. I have heard similar before just so you know. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/58 "2018-03-19T04:07:08Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Yes I agree that’s a totally much better way to look at it, just wished I would stop having to hear a mix like “Mexican black Muslim trans midget obese autistic disabled female animal” > > There we go, just listed every opressed class in one. I have heard similar before just so you know. I agree that is just a newly developed theory though. I think really most people only try to discuss the dynamics regarding someone’s idenity. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/59 "2018-03-19T08:51:35Z")
I am beyond impressed that suddenly our MRA, alt right friend has developed some truly remarkable improvements in English comprehension , basic grammar and grade school sentence structure. I mean, it’s such a black and white difference, remarkable, impressive, astounding, revealing! ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716/60 "2018-03-19T13:53:01Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I am beyond impressed that suddenly our MRA, alt right friend has developed some truly remarkable improvements in English comprehension , basic grammar and grade school sentence structure. > > I mean, it’s such a black and white difference, remarkable, impressive, astounding, revealing! Call me an alt righter all you want, I don’t give a shit 🆒 MRA, MGTOW, neckbeard, heritage traitor, etc And lol at the want time you used a dude from India as an example(Don’t think none of you all remember) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/probably-my-last-topic-regarding-my-beef-with-social-and-political-issues/810716.md?page=4)