# "Problematic" or potentially harmful Film/Television Shows **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 2, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076 "2024-05-02T17:55:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/21 "2024-05-02T20:20:00Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > In the show, Cartman throws a rock at Token for calling him fat, and had to go to prison because it was supposedly a Hate Crime. Tolkien ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/22 "2024-05-02T20:20:44Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Main one that comes to mind is _13 Reasons Why_, which basically glorifies suicide as a form of revenge and attention-getting. That reminds me of another one, the film _Better Off Dead_. The main character’s suicide attempts are played for laughs (every attempt fails in a comical way). That probably belongs in the thread for films that didn’t age well. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/23 "2024-05-02T20:27:24Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > In the show, Cartman throws a rock at Token for calling him fat, and had to go to prison because it was supposedly a Hate Crime. I didn’t think that was what a Hate Crime was. To my knowledge, Hate Crimes are committed by people who are discriminating of a person > because of their protected class OTOH, it’s Cartman, so “hate crime” is a perfectly reasonable explanation for just about anything he does. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/24 "2024-05-02T20:32:18Z")
The difference with those movies is that the bad guys being killed are typically organized criminals. Russian Mob, Yakuza, rogue agents, etc. As opposed to killing underprivileged teens with switchblades. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/25 "2024-05-02T21:27:03Z")
Personally, I think _Battleship Potemkin_ has caused more bloodshed than any other film named in this thread, but I am not going to boycott it. ---
**Author:** ![Noelq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noelq/32/16438_2.png) [@Noelq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noelq)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/26 "2024-05-02T21:28:10Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Tolkien Of course. That’s what its always been. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/27 "2024-05-02T21:28:47Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > The difference with those movies is that the bad guys being killed are typically organized criminals. Russian Mob, Yakuza, rogue agents, etc. As opposed to killing underprivileged teens with switchblades. I’m not sure why that’s an important distinction. We’ve simply changed who the bad guys are. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/28 "2024-05-02T21:29:10Z")
> [@Noelq](#): > > Of course. That’s what its always been. And we have always been at war with Eastasia. ---
**Author:** ![Noelq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noelq/32/16438_2.png) [@Noelq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noelq)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/29 "2024-05-02T21:31:28Z")
Double-plus good. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/30 "2024-05-02T22:11:06Z")
Ok. I know you’re joking that someone like Cartman might as well go to jail for a hate crime, because he’s discriminatory and has probably gone unpunished for numerous Hate Crimes. But it’s stupid how they wrote it, because this specific time, this was not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/31 "2024-05-02T22:31:15Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Tolkien Of course, that’s probably another good example. An episode based entirely around the creators lambasting the viewers for laughing at a racist joke the creators themselves made, and kept pushing for years. So, yay progress? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/32 "2024-05-02T22:38:26Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Main one that comes to mind is _13 Reasons Why_, which basically glorifies suicide as a form of revenge and attention-getting. > **[13 Reasons Why](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why)** > > 13 Reasons Why (also stylized as TH1RTEEN R3ASONS WHY) is an American teen drama television series developed for Netflix by Brian Yorkey and based on the 2007 novel Thirteen Reasons Why by author Jay Asher. The series revolves around high school student Clay Jensen (Dylan Minnette) and the aftermath of the suicide of fellow student Hannah Baker (Katherine Langford). Before her death, she leaves behind a box of cassette tapes in which she details the reasons why she chose to kill herself as wel... _After the series’ release, a study published in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry found that suicide among teenagers rose by 28.9 percent in the month after Netflix launched the show.[[102]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-102)[[103]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-Bridge2020-103)_… _The release of 13 Reasons Why corresponded with between 900,000 and 1.5 million more suicide-related [Google](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Search) searches in the United States, including a 26 percent increase in searches for “how to commit suicide”, an 18 percent increase for “commit suicide”, and a 9 percent increase for “how to kill yourself”.[[115]]\*\*([13 Reasons Why - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-115)) After an initial spike in calls to the [Crisis Text Line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_Text_Line) after the first episode, there was an overall reduction in crisis call volume for the remainder of the series.[[116]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-116) Although the link between searching for suicide information and suicide risk is unclear,[[117]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-117) increases in self-harm admissions to one children’s hospital were observed.[[118]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-118)[[119]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-119)[[120]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-120)[[121]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-121)[[122]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#cite_note-122)_ > [@DigitalC](#): > > Those idiots actually consulted suicide prevention experts about what not to do and then did everything they were told not to. Netflix and the showrunners should be arrested for involuntary manslaughter. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/33 "2024-05-02T22:50:54Z")
Law & Order. It’s convinced generations of people that court cases are solved nice and tidy within an hour. Now no one has time or patience for jury duty and looking at actual evidence, and everyone thinks they know more than the lawyers and judges, and they can spot a criminal a mile away (I was on a jury last year and some of the people in the jury pool and on the jury were total numbskulls who watched too many episodes of “_dun-dun_” L&O). ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/34 "2024-05-03T04:26:38Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Law & Order. It’s convinced generations of people that court cases are solved nice and tidy within an hour. Now no one has time or patience for jury duty and looking at actual evidence, and everyone thinks they know more than the lawyers and judges, and they can spot a criminal a mile away (I was on a jury last year and some of the people in the jury pool and on the jury were total numbskulls who watched too many episodes of “_dun-dun_” L&O). More tangible is what is known by people in the business as the CSI Effect. It’s seen clearly during grand jury proceedings when jurors can ask questions directly to witnesses. They think DNA is tested at every scene. They think that fingerprints can be found on every surface. They think a full forensic team comes out for every crime from murder to petty theft. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/35 "2024-05-03T04:36:00Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > More tangible is what is known by people in the business as the CSI Effect. It’s seen clearly during grand jury proceedings when jurors can ask questions directly to witnesses. They think DNA is tested at every scene. They think that fingerprints can be found on every surface. They think a full forensic team comes out for every crime from murder to petty theft. Yeah, not even for grand larceny. And a homeless guy dead in a dumpster? Yeah, the detectives will do a little investigating sure, but the full CSI team isnt gonna be there. Nor do CSI’s interview suspects. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/36 "2024-05-03T04:59:51Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Dr. Girlfriend is drawn as a beatiful young woman who strongly resembles former first lady Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, but she has a very, very deep voice and a running gag throughout much of the series is that people think she’s a man. But in the show the folks who spend time speculating about whether she’s genetically a woman are generally presented as idiots. On the other hand, she is presented as an incredibly capable person and sexually attractive to a lot of characters. Really, I think Dr. Girlfriend rules. > [@Miller](#): > > There’s another character who gets SRS specifically because they know Brock has been ordered to kill them, but also knows that Brock’s moral code prevents him from killing women. The plan completely works - as soon as Brock finds out about the surgery, he drops the mission. I don’t think Hunter Gathers had the surgery because he needed to protect himself from Sampson. He did it out of a combination of personal desire to physically present as a woman (he expresses regret after later going through surgery to present as a man again), and it would allow him to infiltrate the Black Hearts. It seems that the prohibition against killing women luckily happens to save him from Sampson. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/37 "2024-05-03T10:45:53Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > Really, I think Dr. Girlfriend rules. @Dr.Girlfriend will be glad to hear that. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/38 "2024-05-03T11:05:18Z")
Isn’t “tina” on bobs burgers voiced by a male? ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/39 "2024-05-03T14:50:10Z")
Oliver Stone’s _JFK_ caused a lot of damage to American politics that really blew up in recent times. Before the movie came out something like 20-some% of Americans believed that there was a conspiracy. Afterwards the number jumped to 60% and has stayed in that range. Despite the complete crap it threw out there. Starting with nut job Garrison as the hero and Stone adding even more ridiculous crap. _Everybody_ was in on the conspiracy. One of the Dallas detectives was hired as a consultant and ignored. He said that Stone got the place and victim right but the rest was all wrong. The joke at the time was that someone told Elie Wiesel they had good news and bad news. The good news was that Oliver Stone was doing a film on his life. The bad news was that Kevin Costner was playing Hitler. And since people who believe one CT are a lot more susceptible to believing other CTs, this allowed campaigns to more easily spread their political CT thru society. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076/40 "2024-05-03T15:18:20Z")
Yes. Linda is also voice by a male. On the flip side, Ollie and Andy are voiced by Sarah Silverman and her sister. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/problematic-or-potentially-harmful-film-television-shows/1001076.md?page=3)