You should post another seven times in a row to show how completely you’re winning. It’ll totally erase the fact that you’re such an utter loser in life that you need the government to guarantee you an income.
jerk :mad:
Don’t be so harsh on alienshow. At this point, Pizza Guy is arguing with the voices in his head. And he’s still losing.
Regards,
Shodan
Probably not. Simple answer
This is where you keep fucking up. This is not Great Debates, it’s the Pit. If you want a debate where you need something more than thousands of words of you arguing with yourself, go there. Here, you are just an idiotic pizza guy who moved to a different country to escape having to actually better yourself to make more money, and then STILL cries about a minimum wage in a country you don’t even live in anymore :dubious:
I refute what you are saying by determining that you are stupid, and spend more time writing useless screeds on message boards instead of actually bettering yourself to the point where you can make more than minimum wage.
So? What is the minimum wage in Thailand? Why can’t WE have that minimum wage?
Also, this:
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You should post another seven times in a row to show how completely you’re winning. It’ll totally erase the fact that you’re such an utter loser in life that you need the government to guarantee you an income.
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If posting to a thread after saying “I don’t care” is lying, then you must be lying, because you are (to say the least) posting to the thread after saying that you don’t care.
Not that I care.
Regards,
Shodan
I think what they’re trying to say is that economically speaking, there’s a market for labor. What this means is that based on someone’s skill set, experience and ability, combined with those things for everyone else, there’s a level that those jobs will naturally shake out to.
So someone with a JD, 15 years of experience as a lawyer, and a series of high profile legal wins will be able to command a high salary because that’s a rare set of skills and experience that is both in demand and rare.
The flip side is that someone who is doing unskilled work making fast food is literally a dime a dozen- just about anyone who’s not mentally handicapped (and even some of them) can step in and do that. So there is little incentive to pay them more, as they’re easily replaceable in an economic sense. Why pay someone $8 to flip burgers, if there are 200 others willing to do it for minimum wage, and there’s no skill involved? And there are infinitely many gradations in between of skill, experience and pay.
In an unfettered system, many of the most unskilled and fungible jobs would likely pay LESS than minimum wage due to the fact that literally any warm body can stock shelves at a Wal-Mart, or flip burgers, or any number of other jobs like that.
That’s why we have a minimum wage in the first place- to set a floor on those sorts of wages, so nobody’s quite in crushing poverty because they are unskilled, inexperienced, not bright, or just lazy. It’s entirely a social program, not some kind of economic stimulus or anything like that. If anything, it probably makes prices go up somewhat, as there’s more money being paid in wages than there otherwise would be.
Opponents of raising the minimum wage are mostly opponents of the minimum wage in general, not so much opponents of raising it. Their position is basically that the presence of a minimum wage distorts the labor market, and has knock-on effects throughout the economy, most of which are negative. You could look at it as a sort of inflation I suppose. There’s also the sort of visceral opposition on the part of people making more than minimum, but not much more, who are effectively getting any merit raises erased in a certain sense, by government fiat. Someone who makes say… 9.25 these days who gets a .75 cent/hr raise to make a $10 minimum wage has still gone from a position who makes considerably more than minimum to a minimum wage position, which has to be frustrating.
The proponents of the minimum wage are mostly approaching it from a humanitarian perspective without much real consideration of the economic effects. One thing to consider is that retail pricing rarely has much of anything to do with the actual cost of an item, and drawing comparisons of wages vs. prices is ignorant at best, and accurate and misleading at worst.
I think ultimately we have a minimum wage, and it’s unlikely to be repealed. The question is if, when and how much to raise it. My personal feeling is that it shouldn’t be a living wage, in the sense of enough for a single income to support a family of four. That’s absurd- it’s essentially a reward for not planning or preparing for life. It should, on the other hand, be a subsistence wage for a single person. Enough so that they can clothe, shelter and feed themselves. Anything beyond that ought to be something they pay for themselves through raises, etc…