Repeating it doesn’t make it true, it just makes you look retarded for insisting it is true, when you are clearly incapable of proving it.
The retard is the one who looks at the evidence all around and willingly discards it because it doesn’t fit into ones preconceived ideology. I’ve already told your dumb ass that when there are multiple variables responsible for a particular outcome it’s near impossible to scientifically prove exactly the impact one of those variables has. Minimum wage is responsible in part for unemployment, under the table wages, contract labor, and overseas manufacturing. Go to wal-mart and see all the stuff made in China. A lot of that could be made here if we did not have a wage floor.
Why? Why are we continuing to allow people to have children and buy things they cannot afford by handing them money they didn’t earn? It’s true that insisting that people be responsible for themselves has somehow turned into hate speech, and meanwhile we raise another generation that is being taught that they don’t need to wait to have the things they want. Once again I ask, why is it that the responsible are required to pay for the irresponsible?
And ya know what? With very few exceptions, they can IF they get at least a basic education, learn a skill and hold off on the babies and the BMW until they can actually afford them. Quit running up a pile of debt, save some money, etc. All of that mature responsible crap.
You want to pay a WalMart greeter a middle class wage??
This is another good point. These days the word “deserve” has become very warped - apparently everyone “deserves” whatever it is they want, whether or not they have earned it. Actually, as it works out, those that are earning get less than they deserve because they are paying for those who have bought into the whole “you deserve this because you are breathing” philosophy.
Whatever employers are willing to pay and can get people to sign on for. The idea of paying paying middle class wages no matter what the job is elevates McJobs and cheapens those that require skill.
Even more if we had no environmental standards, and we could just dump toxic wastes into the water or air. Get rid of safety standards too, shave a couple bucks more off there. Treat our workers and country poorly enough, and we will get all those jobs back from 3rd world countries.
Err, were you saying that wages were the only difference between US and China, or are there multiple variables there too?
(BTW, the US regulations on Thorium as a waste material is why we do not, and cannot have electronics or other high tech manufacturing jobs in the US, nothing to do with wages.)
Wait. In 1994 you were fairly high level programmer and were a slightly above minimum wage and today you’re high five figures?
Multiple variables there as well.
That seems strange, here is a company that manufactures electronics in Michigan.
You mean, outcomes like the combined salaries of one asshole and his wife?
This family is not living in poverty.
Combined, they make $34,270 a year. After taxes, that is $29,690. The income limit for SNAP is Gross of $26,124.
Median rent in Topeka for 2 bedroom apartment is $653, so yearly that is $7,836
Health Insurance for them (including subsidies) is around $150, yearly is $1,800 with $2,500 deductible and low copays
After rent and health insurance, they have $20,054 left.
If they use their whole health deductible, they have $17,554 left.
Car payment and insurance and related, I’ll put at $300 (granted, could be more), which is $3600 a year, leaving them with $13,954.
That comes out to roughly $1100 a month left over for food, utilities, and savings. They should be able to AT LEAST save $100 a month.
Not too bad for 2 low paying jobs.
Looking on their website, they assemble electronics from parts manufactured elsewhere. I did not delve deeply enough to see if they ultimately say where their “supply chain” comes from, but I would WAG that it is not in the US.
Well, their website says they “manufacture…complex printed circuit board assemblies (PCBAs) using through-hole and surface mount technology”
What did you mean by electronics manufacturing then?
Nope. Was a Programmer, Consultant and Project Leader from 1980-2001 when I quit the business for health reasons. Didn’t work at all for a couple of years because I had money, then of course I had to go and get married to a psychopath who was quite literally planning to kill me, sold my house, got divorced, tried my hand at a number of ‘less stressful’ jobs, didn’t like them, wasn’t doing well financially, got back into IT but not as a programmer.
Have had numerous opportunities to advance over the years (straight out offered management position in 1999(?)) and have turned them down. I know my limits and I know what kind of stress I can handle and I’m extremely happy in my current position, having turned down an opportunity on this job for (more stressful) advancement.
Money isn’t everything. It doesn’t make you smarter, or better than anyone. If you’re using only money as your marker for this sort of thing, you’re a damned fool.
Productivity is a funny thing, and it doesn’t mean what a lot of people think it means. It just means how much goods and services are produced per employee. You increase productivity, basically, in 2 different ways:
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Hire super-duper skilled employees who just do everything really fast and efficiently.
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Automate the job so that the same ol’ worker with the same ol’ skill can produce more goods with same amount of talent and efficiency.
Take the archetypical McD’s cashier. I worked a cash register for awhile in the early 70s (at a bookstore, not McD’s, but same difference). You had to enter the amount, figure the tax (looking at a table) and then figure the change. Not rocket science, but it took some skill. Now, you just push the icon (burger), enter the amount given and register does the rest. Today’s workers are more productive than I was, but my job required more skill.
When productivity goes up due to automation, then there’s a good chance that the skill level of the job actually goes down, and so you have a larger pool of potential employees to draw from. Employees are a complete PITA, and pretty much every bussiness owner would love to have ZERO employees.
So don’t get hung up on productivity as if large increases tells that the employees are so much better than they used to be. Maybe they are maybe they aren’t (more likely the latter, due to automation).
As for the MW, I know it’s not going away, so I’d like to just set it to increase with inflation, and then forget about debating the damn thing every month.
You go, girl.
I’m sorry, but this is something poor people say. Money IS almost everything. Sick? Money gets you better health care. Bored? Money gets you good vacations. Horny? Money gets you sex. Money gets you access to more things than not having money. You can’t take a trip to Paris and pay for it with love, come on.
Don’t care about money? If you are able, make a lot of money and then give it to people who don’t have money. “Here, have some money to make your life better, no problem, I have enough so here is some help”
Money makes life easier and better.
Now hold the phone, there’s this whole set of politicians who use this every few years. They work hard for their money - you better treat 'em right.
Okay, I see. You weren’t a high level programmer and you were making significantly more than minimum wage. Were those blatant lies or were you temporarily disconnected from reality?
No, it’s your response here that is a total disconnect from reality (or a blatant lie). People are only free to change jobs providing there are other, suitable jobs that will accept them and while people are free to try and negotiate wages, if their employer (or potential employer) refuses to do so, then no negotiation will happen. So your error is assuming that both parties are willing and able to negotiate, when in fact one side (the employer) has no need (or willingness, usually, IME) to negotiate.
Of course an employer has a need to negotiate. If the applicant has skills that are needed, negotiation is what happens. Sometimes that need is “Someone who shows up on time” or “I can’t open tomorrow without someone”
No, you’re wrong. And/or you seriously misunderstand what “negotiate” means.
Do you deny that employers have vastly more power in the relationship than the employee (or potential employee)?