# Professor Francis Boyle deserves credit for his findings re: Covid 19! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794 "2021-11-04T13:31:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Itsokaytohategoogle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f475e1/32.png) [@Itsokaytohategoogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itsokaytohategoogle)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/1 "2021-11-04T13:31:15Z")
Boyle is widely involved in many issues all over the world. He found evidence showing a link between the Wuhan Lab and the Univ. of North Carolina BSL-3 lab, and was ignored. He called his evidence “the smoking gun”. The “smoking gun” was a reference to a Chinese researchers presence at Chapel Hill during Gain of Function research, in a scientific paper published by the group at Chapel Hill. He claims the Chinese government provided a grant to the Chapel Hill lab provided that a Chinese researcher from the Wuhan lab could be present while the grant was in effect. the grant was to study Gain of Function research on the Covid virus. The researcher then returned to Wuhan and the rest is considerable, but ignored. Every doctor and assorted medical worker has been given time and space to offer up their unsupported (but assuredly academic sounding), opinions on the origins of Covid 19. He also claims the Chinese did the same with an Australian group. Boyle was (and still is), ignored despite having known where to look, having known the history of such labs and having written this country’s ‘Biological Weapons Anti- **terrorism** Act of 89’, implemented in 1990, amended in 1996 and still in effect today. He claims to have been blacklisted for his public condemnation of the Chapel Hill lab previously for the work they were doing on Sars, as well as more public disclosures regarding other viral outbreaks. I think he has been blacklisted and deserves to be regarded as the only source of early accurate information on Covid 19 and how it arose. Boyle does indeed appear somewhat eccentric, perhaps. He also appears to be much more knowledgeable about these viruses than many so-called experts. To discredit him and his evidence requires more than calling him a “crackpot”. But if that’s all you have to offer, then by all means call him whatever you will. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/2 "2021-11-04T14:02:33Z")
_starts popping corn_ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/3 "2021-11-04T14:06:34Z")
Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! I’ll start things off: cite? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/4 "2021-11-04T14:09:50Z")
This is your brain. The OP is your brain on meth. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/5 "2021-11-04T14:10:20Z")
> [@Itsokaytohategoogle](#): > > He also appears to be much more knowledgeable about these viruses than many so-called experts. > To discredit him and his evidence requires more than calling him a “crackpot”. But if that’s all you have to offer, then by all means call him whatever you will. Actually I was going to call _you_ a “crackpot” based upon the stream-of-consciousness poster style, lack of references for supposedly-factual claims, and pre-emptive accusations that other posters are ignorant or suppressive. I’m not familiar with the work or background of Francis Boyle but he should probably bring the evidence he has to reputable investigative independent press such as [Propublica.org](http://Propublica.org) or The Intercept instead of the scammy alt-right outlets. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/6 "2021-11-04T14:23:55Z")
Hmm, smart enough to post in BBQ Pit, but not smart enough to know that trolling is still against the rules in the BBQ Pit. Magic Eight Ball says “trock”. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/7 "2021-11-04T14:28:05Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Magic Eight Ball says “trock”. Signs point to yes. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/8 "2021-11-04T14:30:48Z")
We used to get a better class of nutballs around here. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/9 "2021-11-04T14:39:30Z")
Has anyone seen the Time Cube guy around recently? ---
**Author:** ![bleach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bleach/32/3106_2.png) [@bleach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bleach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/10 "2021-11-04T14:41:38Z")
@Itsokaytohategoogle There is a tendency for people to insert themselves into a big news story. One saw this happen after the global financial crisis, where charlatans hawking dubious financial products said “I predicted the mortgage disaster years ago. It will happen again so buy my guide on purchasing gold.” The reason why **Snowboarder Bo** is asking for something more than a list of claims is because how do we know that this eccentric person who is making these claims hasn’t retrospectively inserted himself into the “bioweapon” conspiracy theory? Do you have any proof that he made this claim in 2017-2018, from any source, for example? We are not obligated to prove a negative claim. The burden is on you to support your claim about him with something more than other claims; anyone can say that they connected the dots, retrospectively. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/11 "2021-11-04T15:06:08Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > We used to get a better class of nutballs around here. I still remember the “ramps” pyramid one. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/12 "2021-11-04T15:09:20Z")
This poster already did this one. > [@Russia's Delta Surge](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russias-delta-surge/952556/11): > > Has anyone here seen Professor Francis Boyles videos on the origin of Covid 19? He’s a professor at North Carolina Univ. Chapel Hill. He wrote the laws regarding bio-terrorism for this country back in Reagan’s day. He showed a paper re Covid 19 being manipulated for gain of function in the Chapel Hill Bio level 3 lab, which had allowed for a Chinese researcher from the Wuhan lab to observe what the lab was doing for a 1yr period because the Chapel Hill lab had received a grant to do such researc… ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/13 "2021-11-04T15:25:00Z")
> [@susan](#): > > This poster already did this one. > > [Russia's Delta Surge - #11 by Itsokaytohategoogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russias-delta-surge/952556/11) And he was instructed to make a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/14 "2021-11-04T15:27:57Z")
"(Francis Boyle is a) Harvard-trained law professor at the University of Illinois… “Boyle has no academic degree in virology or biology but is a longstanding critic of research on pathogens. He has claimed Israeli intelligence was involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; that SARS, the swine flu and Ebola have been genetically modified; and that West Nile virus and Lyme disease escaped from a U.S. biowarfare lab. He has also claimed that Microsoft founder Bill Gates “was involved” in the spread of Zika.” “COVID CLAIM: Boyle says the coronavirus is a genetically engineered bioweapon that escaped from a high-level lab in Wuhan, China. He maintains it shows signs of nanotechnological tinkering and the insertion of proteins from HIV, the human immunodeficiency virus. He alleges that U.S. researchers helped create it, and that thousands of doctors, scientists and elected leaders are conspiring to hide the truth.”… “EVIDENCE? Boyle bases his argument on circumstantial evidence: the presence of a Biosafety Level 4 lab in Wuhan, the fact that other viruses have escaped from other labs in the past, and his belief that governments around the world are engaged in a secret arms race over biological weapons.”… “A World Heath Organization team concluded it was extremely unlikely the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, and other experts have said the virus shows no signs of genetic manipulation.” > **[Who are the people behind the top covid-19 conspiracy theories?](https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/feb/21/who-are-the-people-behind-the-top-covid-19/)** > > As the coronavirus spread across the globe, so too did speculation about its origins. Perhaps the virus escaped from a lab. Maybe it was engineered as a bioweapon. I dunno, should we believe a law professor without training or experience in virology and infectious diseases, who’s made numerous unsupported allegations about other pathogens and promoted his theories on Alex Jones’ Infowars - or actual experts in the relevant fields\* who’ve found no evidence to support his bioterrorism claims? That’s a tough one. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/15 "2021-11-04T16:04:59Z")
> [@Itsokaytohategoogle](#): > > The “smoking gun” was a reference to a Chinese researchers presence at Chapel Hill during Gain of Function research, [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/4I7U3a7LNcU/hqdefault.jpg "S03E17 - Steve Sax and Unsolved Murders") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7U3a7LNcU) ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/16 "2021-11-04T16:22:19Z")
Fair enough. It was the repetitiveness that reminded me of the previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/17 "2021-11-04T16:32:06Z")
Even assuming for one second Professor Boyle is correct, what then? Are we supposed to do anything differently other than acknowledging he “deserves credit.” ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/18 "2021-11-04T16:34:19Z")
This cuts to the center of the matter. ( You’ve lanced his Boyle ) ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/19 "2021-11-04T16:57:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Even assuming for one second Professor Boyle is correct, what then? Are we supposed to do anything differently other than acknowledging he “deserves credit.” Presumably appoint him as Surgeon General in the Trump Shadow Administration. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794/20 "2021-11-04T17:02:23Z")
> [@Itsokaytohategoogle](#): > > I think he has been blacklisted and deserves to be regarded as the only source of early accurate information on Covid 19 and how it arose. I think he’s a fucking idiot and has less of a clue on how CoVID 19 arose than some random Karen yelling at a grocery store manager for asking her to wear a fucking mask. He can consider himself blacklisted by me as well. > [@Itsokaytohategoogle](#): > > Boyle does indeed appear somewhat eccentric, perhaps. Tomayto, tomahto, eccentric, crackpot. > [@Itsokaytohategoogle](#): > > He also appears to be much more knowledgeable about these viruses than many so-called experts. I’m more knowledgeable than many so-called experts, which is why we use the adjective “so-called”. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny knows less about CoVID than I do, but I’m still not sure where Boyle stands in comparison to her. They’re both fucking idiots, but it’s hard to quantify intelligence when the scores get really low. I mean, just how much smarter is a person with 45 IQ vs. 40 and how do you tell them apart by listening to them? > [@Itsokaytohategoogle](#): > > To discredit him and his evidence requires more than calling him a “crackpot”. Since I’m assuming you’re referring to me as I called him a crackpot in the other thread where you peddled this twaddle, I did bring more than just calling him a crackpot. I gave background on the source and even a link fully debunking the shit out of the story. > [@Itsokaytohategoogle](#): > > But if that’s all you have to offer, then by all means call him whatever you will. Hell, since you were stupid enough to do this in the Pit, instead of the thread where you started this, I can also call you whatever I want. Boyle is a fucking looney-tunes,conspiracy-theory-pushing crackpot of the first degree. You’re just a run-of-the-mill dumbass whose greatest contribution to the board is a [conspiratorial rant about a video game](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-truth-about-pubg-the-mobile-game/953789) that was not only wrong, but groundbreakingly stupid in it’s conjectures. A video game is going to make it unenjoyable for new players on purpose? While I’m frequently critical of Israeli policies, I’d never consider something saying (or thinking) something like this: > In fact, Israel has never been anything but a Bantustan for Jews set up in the Middle East by the White racist and genocidal Western colonial imperial powers in order to serve as their racist attack dog and genocidal enforcer against the Arab and Muslim world. From the very moment of Western imperialism’s genocidal conception of Israel in 1947-1948, Israel has historically always functioned as Jewistan – the world’s Bantustan for the Jews. So Israel might as well finally change its name today to Jewistan, own up to its racist birthright, and make it official for the rest of the world to acknowledge. Boyle did. Seriously, that’s truly the best thing you’ve brought to this board. Try harder. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professor-francis-boyle-deserves-credit-for-his-findings-re-covid-19/953794.md?page=2)