# Progressive Apologism for Islam: why? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2016, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028 "2016-07-16T05:49:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/201 "2016-09-20T23:44:26Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > We could also admit more non-Muslim people, like most Indians and East-Asians, who are smart and hard working but far less likely to commit terrorist evil Muslim jihad. You know, winners, not losers? > > If I hadn’t made this thread, I’d pit Islam itself; its an oppressive death and un-American cult and gets protection from the left that no other religions get bc of the BS “colonial racism” narrative. You really are a stupid, ignorant, bigoted jackass. Too bad we can’t ban the likes of you from the United States. Your nonsense is complete anathema to decent Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/202 "2016-09-21T00:20:41Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > more terror in the name and cause of Allah. Let’s hear what some more liberal excuses are, both for the terror and for importing more large amounts of Muslims here. You really need to masturbate more to take your mind off this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/203 "2016-09-21T00:56:26Z")
You try it in a straitjacket, smart guy. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/204 "2016-09-21T01:06:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You really are a stupid, ignorant, bigoted jackass. Those are his good points. He wears them like a badge of honor. He also claims to be an enlightened liberal, and has told us so many times. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/205 "2016-09-21T01:52:12Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You try it in a straitjacket, smart guy. \*Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps. \* -Emo Philips ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/206 "2016-09-21T02:24:03Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You really need to masturbate more to take your mind off this stuff. maybe I just don’t want to see our country hit by more terror-for-Allah? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/207 "2016-09-21T03:11:57Z")
And libeling Muslims is such a great way to pacify them. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/208 "2016-09-21T04:27:26Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > maybe I just don’t want to see our country hit by more terror-for-Allah? I see, your reptilian brain still does not get that we also do not want to see our country hit. Again, It is clear that you will only ignore that we need many of those sons or young people from the refugees now because they did oppose the dictatorships in the middle east or had to leave because they demanded better from their sorry rulers. I mean, what sense does it make to demand them to progress, risk their lives and then we offer nothing to make their choices to be more justifiable when they do not succeed? Closing the door is also depriving future generations of intelligence and military resources for the USA that will be very important today and in the near future. > **[More than 5,000 Muslims Serving in US Military, Pentagon Says](https://abcnews.go.com/US/5000-muslims-serving-us-military-pentagon/story?id=35654904)** > > Muslim military members have served in conflicts as early as the Civil War. > [@](#): > > There are 5,896 self-identified Muslims currently serving in the military, according to the Department of Defense. This is out of a total of 1,313,940 active-duty and 826,106 guard and reserve members, respectively. > > The Department of Defense offers service members the opportunity to identify their faith for inclusion in the Dependent Eligibility Enrollment System, and on their identification tags. If you’re wondering why – it’s for a very practical reason: for burial practices and religious services in the event of death. > > It’s important to note that of the 2.2 million in uniform, active or reserve, 400,000 service members have not self-reported their faith. So the total number of Muslims currently serving in the U.S. military is likely higher. Of course El Trompo has said that his rich Arab friends will continue to come to the USA while he closes the door to all others. Never mind that most of those rich guys are on several occasions the ones that finance the violence over there and are also the ones that make efforts to stop change in the Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/209 "2016-09-21T04:47:57Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > maybe I just don’t want to see our country hit by more terror-for-Allah? I take it back. You’re masturbating too much. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/210 "2016-09-21T05:25:26Z")
Wait. Something happens when you do that? Something bad? Asking for a friend… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/211 "2016-09-21T05:27:35Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > \*Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps. \* > -Emo Philips Had exactly the same thought! So, have you always been abnormal? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/212 "2016-09-21T05:28:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wait. Something happens when you do that? Something bad? Asking for a friend… Stop doing that or you’ll go blind! Can I do it until I just need glasses? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/213 "2016-09-21T05:44:30Z")
What if its like a set number, based on genetics? Like, say some guys number is 10,319 faps. He hits his quota and we _think_ he had a heart attack and died in his sleep but he really just had his eternal emission? What if _everybody_’s number is 10,319? You do some math, try to get a good estimate but you know it can’t be precise, you guess its pretty close to ten thousand. You got no way of knowing, your next stroke could be your last! And you wouldn’t know if you were coming or going! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/214 "2016-09-21T13:12:07Z")
Well, shit, I’m celebrating my first billionth sometime tonight (weather permitting). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/215 "2016-09-21T13:17:27Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > maybe I just don’t want to see our country hit by more terror-for-Allah? Apparently not enough to do anything about it but spout ignorant and bigoted crap on the internet, coward. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/216 "2016-09-21T13:36:10Z")
Oh, don’t push him. He’ll decide he needs to be a Terrorist for Christ! You know, doing stupid assed shit like throwing pig blood on a mosque or standing outside with a gun just to scare those muslim people into being good. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/217 "2016-09-21T15:39:38Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Oh, don’t push him. He’ll decide he needs to be a Terrorist for Christ! > > You know, doing stupid assed shit like throwing pig blood on a mosque or standing outside with a gun just to scare those muslim people into being good. :rolleyes: Even for as bad as the reprisals against individual Muslims are for jihadism, liberals need to stop acting like that stuff is worse than Radical Islamic terror itself. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/218 "2016-09-21T15:55:38Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Even for as bad as the reprisals against individual Muslims are for jihadism, liberals need to stop acting like that stuff is worse than Radical Islamic terror itself. Ignorant, cowardly bigots like you need to stop acting in ignorant, cowardly, and bigoted ways. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/219 "2016-09-21T17:06:37Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > This stuff really makes “progressives” look like a joke; I used to be one back in the 2000s, but can’t call myself one anymore, largely over this, and their hatred of Israel, which I suspect colours their views on Islamic radicalism. When I read people say things like this I wonder if they mean they believe everything they used to still but they just changed their identifier, or if they also changed their whole suite of beliefs. Like you went from believing in UHC to the free market, taxing the rich to trickle down, environmentalism to denialism, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028/220 "2016-09-21T17:49:49Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > When I read people say things like this I wonder if they mean they believe everything they used to still but they just changed their identifier, or if they also changed their whole suite of beliefs. Like you went from believing in UHC to the free market, taxing the rich to trickle down, environmentalism to denialism, and so on. It’s also entirely fictional – the only left that believes the things **Derek** says they do, other than a few cranks, is the fantasy-left in right-wing radio. It’s the kind of left that Hannity might believe in but doesn’t exist and has never existed in the real world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/progressive-apologism-for-islam-why/760028.md?page=12)