# Prohibition
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 7, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266 "2016-09-07T14:12:26Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/41 "2016-09-07T16:13:40Z")
> [@Vicsage](#):
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> As I’ve recently learned in another post, people should be forced to do things if there is a large benefit to society and to yours and other peoples health.
Please refer to the post in question. Please explain what you are talking about. As it stands, your OP makes no goddamn sense.
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### Author:  [@Vicsage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vicsage)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/42 "2016-09-07T16:16:08Z")
To Czarcasm, I didn’t bring up vaccinations, others did. I merely responded. Won’t use the word again (excluding my next response) if that makes you happy. To Polemic: Your analysis was thoughtful,logical and thorough. Saying they’re not the same was all I needed to be convinced. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/43 "2016-09-07T16:17:31Z")
> [@Vicsage](#):
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> To Czarcasm, I didn’t bring up vaccinations, others did. I merely responded. Won’t use the word again (excluding my next response) if that makes you happy. To Polemic: Your analysis was thoughtful,logical and thorough. Saying they’re not the same was all I needed to be convinced. :rolleyes:
What the hell are you pitting, then?
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### Author:  [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/44 "2016-09-07T16:24:35Z")
> [@Vicsage](#):
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> Respond to the message not the messenger. 88,000 dead, many more injured. I know the conflict of a double standard is painful, you can get through it.
If the messenger is an idiot, perhaps even of the drooling variety, then one can safely ignore the messenger’s message.
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### Author:  [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/45 "2016-09-07T16:24:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> Are you asking if I support making misuse of guns (i.e. shooting people) illegal? If so, my answer is yes. So consider your hopes met.
Very good. I wish my SO was as accommodating. 😉
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### Author:  [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/46 "2016-09-07T16:27:34Z")
A little bit of whine is good for the belly.
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### Author:  [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/47 "2016-09-07T16:31:40Z")
> [@Vicsage](#):
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> No, this thread is about people who believe they can impose their views and actions on other people because they may see it as the greater good (they can even be right). But when you use the same criteria to their vices or sacred cows they get upset and refuse to force the beneficial activities.
Consider this: alcohol or meat eating brings more overall benefits than a ban would create. That’s why your argument is stupid.
Forcing other people to vaccinate for the good of society creates more overall benefits than allowing a small minority to belief fake science so they can kill people through insufficient herd immunity. That’s why its wrong to be anti-vax, and government should force everyone to vaccinate.
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### Author:  [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/48 "2016-09-07T16:31:49Z")
> [@Vicsage](#):
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> Alcohol use is responsible for 88,000 deaths a year. This does not include injuries from drunk drivers, domestic abuse, sexual assaults, or ruined lives for the drinker and his family, including his children, the weakest and most vulnerable among us.
If the 88,000 doesn’t include drunk drivers and all the rest, then it sounds like you’re only talking about heavy drinkers doing direct harm to themselves. I certainly have sympathy for someone caught up in such self-destructive habits, but it is a problem largely of their own making.
Contrast that with something totally unrelated, like, say, mandatory vaccinations. Vaccinations are something that parents are responsible for getting for their children. And if the parents fail in that, the consequences will be felt by the children, and the other children that they go on to infect.
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### Author:  [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/49 "2016-09-07T16:49:50Z")
Will _someone_ please link to the subject of the OP’s ire, since he clearly can’t be arsed? I’m going to assume that is because if he did, he would suffer the indignity of being called out on his bullshit. Deliberate obfuscation is the hallmark of a weak argument.
I haven’t seen such a blatant disregard for critical thinking in quite a while. The idea that ‘‘X is good for society, therefore people should be forced to do X’’ must directly translate to ‘‘Y is good for society, therefore people should be forced to do Y’’ is really a very facile assumption. Context _always_ matters. What exactly the public stands to gain or individuals stand to lose in any situation must always be a factor.
But the OP loves to make broad, [sweeping generalization strawman arguments](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19608519&postcount=4) as a matter of rule so I doubt it’s changing anytime soon.
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### Author:  [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/50 "2016-09-07T16:53:16Z")
It was my understanding that pie was to be served.
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### Author:  [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/51 "2016-09-07T16:53:18Z")
“Everything not forbidden is compulsory” - a usually fictional doomcry.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/52 "2016-09-07T17:00:10Z")
I’m not going to wade through all of **Vicsage** ’s bullshit. Can someone enlighten me as to what garbage he’s talking about? If he’s an anti-vaxxer I can just put him on ignore and save some time.
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### Author:  [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/53 "2016-09-07T17:09:33Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#):
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> But will the message reply? If the message isn’t even going to bother to show up, what’s the point?
It’s like a jungle, sometimes I think I wonder how I keep from getting smallpox. No, I don’t.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/54 "2016-09-07T17:12:11Z")
> [@silenus](#):
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> I’m not going to wade through all of **Vicsage** ’s bullshit. Can someone enlighten me as to what garbage he’s talking about? If he’s an anti-vaxxer I can just put him on ignore and save some time.
I think the posts from a previous thread referred to in the OP are from a thread in the Pit that ended with [this idiotic overreaction that supposedly put everyone in their place.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19601177#post19601177)
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### Author:  [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/55 "2016-09-07T17:13:53Z")
That seems to be a trend of stupidity.
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### Author:  [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/56 "2016-09-07T17:31:25Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> I think the posts from a previous thread referred to in the OP are from a thread in the Pit that ended with [this idiotic overreaction that supposedly put everyone in their place.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19601177#post19601177)
Well, that’s fucking stupid.
As far as I can tell, **Viscage** is a veritable black hole of useless posts. He seems to suck all meaning and nuance out of any conversation.
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### Author:  [@WilyQuixote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WilyQuixote)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/57 "2016-09-07T17:37:45Z")
> [@Vicsage](#):
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> No, this thread is about people who believe they can impose their views and actions on other people because they may see it as the greater good (they can even be right). But when you use the same criteria to their vices or sacred cows they get upset and refuse to force the beneficial activities. .
Did you honestly believe anyone here would think your OP was really about prohibition and not a desparate and highly transparent “gotcha” regarding vaccines?
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### Author:  [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/58 "2016-09-07T17:42:37Z")
**Vicsage** , you really suck the life out of the thread, like a hypo needle.
What you’re really saying is:
These liberal fools think my reasoning is flawed. Very well. I will take my rebellion to the extremes. I will mock their liberal agenda. I will martyr myself on their principles. I will hemorrhage their lily-livered adages and axioms and expose them for the fools they really are. They won’t laugh at me when they see how much society, through me, suffers for their godless mewlings and panty-waist conjecture. Did liberals die. Die die die die die.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/59 "2016-09-07T17:48:04Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#):
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> It was my understanding that pie was to be served.
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#):
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> “Everything not forbidden is compulsory” …
**Ike** , either pie is now forbidden, or we are indeed all owed pie.
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### Author:  [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prohibition/765266/60 "2016-09-07T17:52:33Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#):
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> Did liberals die.
Know, they didn’t.
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