# Project 2025 -- a RW blueprint for Autocracy **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 16, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262 "2023-11-16T20:26:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/21 "2023-12-02T16:11:36Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I can’t help but look at Trump’s tenure as president and the Republican party today without thinking he already ran the ship onto the rocks. Trump was unable to accomplish the majority of his goals while in the White House. He didn’t repeal and replace Obama Care, didn’t build the wall, he didn’t bring more or save manufacturing jobs in the United States, and as far as the Supreme Court is concerned any Republican president could have made the same appointments. And just look at the Republican party itself. They’re eating each other. Which is why in an earlier thread “To Trump or Not to Trump”, I posed the question of which would be worse for America: Trump, or an actually competent autocrat. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/22 "2023-12-02T16:47:46Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Trump was unable to accomplish the majority of his goals while in the White House. He didn’t repeal and replace Obama Care, didn’t build the wall, he didn’t bring more or save manufacturing jobs in the United States, But were those _actually_ his goals, or were those the red-meat he threw to the masses? Hell, Bannon made a tidy profit off of grifting the massas _because_ the wall wasn’t built. His true goal was to consolidate power, and i think he was pretty damned successful at that. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/23 "2023-12-02T17:05:51Z")
On right wing social media the prevailing sentiment is that quality of life was far superior during Cheeto admin I. This belief is neither bolstered nor influenced by evidence. And, in their view, that was all worth a little personal nastiness by the big guy. _“Mean tweets? You’ve got to be kidding!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/24 "2023-12-02T17:37:18Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > This belief is neither bolstered nor influenced by evidence. It’s often bolstered by outright lies. “A thanksgiving turkey now costs $90” “An average airport burger now costs $78” “Everyone is out of work” “Gasoline is $13 a gallon” ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/25 "2023-12-02T18:52:45Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > But were those _actually_ his goals, or were those the red-meat he threw to the masses? Hell, Bannon made a tidy profit off of grifting the massas _because_ the wall wasn’t built. His true goal was to consolidate power, and i think he was pretty damned successful at that. I think Trump genuinely wanted to repeal Obamacare. Not because he cares about making sure Americans are taken care of, but becaues he hates Obama and wanted to take something away from him while putting his own name on it. I also think Trump cared deeply about getting the wall built. Not because he thought it’d keep America safe, but because he looks like a failure, a loser, for not getting it built. Trump isn’t a particularly saavy politician and it’s clear he doesn’t understand complex issues like healthcare or even the basics behind how government works. But like all cults, his followers are more than willing to make excuses for him when he does fail. They’ll blame RINOS, democrats, wokeness, drag queens, groomers, or whatever else their flights of fancy lead them to. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/26 "2024-01-16T21:41:13Z")
Bumping this because of the Iowa Caucuses. Trump is one step closer to sealing up the nomination (officially) by going thru the motions of these primaries. I think he has a real shot at becoming #47, and this Project 2025 has a non-zero chance of happening. But, what safeguards are in place to thwart, or at least hamper, stall, or otherwise disrupt this Project? Can individual states decline to participate in some of the shit they plan to do at the federal level? Can states ensure the rights of individuals where the Federal government is repealing those rights? Are there any guardrails strong enough to protect the nation, or will we all be in the early stages of the Fourth Reich? Are we gonna lose porn? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/27 "2024-01-17T01:16:31Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Are we gonna lose porn? Not to worry. Just like most of the child molesters are Republicans, so are the porn watchers. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/28 "2024-01-20T17:54:24Z")
trump himself would be a figurehead. As long as he can play golf, make money, and get his ass licked he’s happy. If he was involved, every aspect of the project would be two weeks in the future. I’m worried about what happens when his magnificent physique gives out, and his golf time becomes coming up with stupid fucking ideas time. I think much effort will go into keeping him out of the public eye as much as possible, like FDR, except FDR was just physically handicapped. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/29 "2024-02-24T09:18:14Z")
I reached out to the Heritage Foundation, sending them a list of several problems facing the country and asking how they would propose to solve them. They added their answers and sent it back. I mean, can you _believe_ this? [![](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53547906461_797d728a8b_o_d.jpg) ](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53547906461_797d728a8b_o_d.jpg) Shortly afterward, they must have felt that they’d been somewhat hasty on the second item, so they sent the following revision: [![](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53549068065_d66a80d274_o_d.jpg) ](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53549068065_d66a80d274_o_d.jpg) The nerve! I was trying to inject some comic relief here, but the ominous thing is that this is all more or less true. And while all this is going on, and with all of the lasting damage Trump already accomplished in his first term, we have “progressives” both foreign and domestic ranting about the “Republicrats” or the “Duopoly”, saying there’s no difference between the parties, and that the Democrats are evil hypocrites. An Australian journalist heavily active on Medium has the basic message that Biden’s evil because “Gaza, Gaza, Gaza, Gaza”, and obviously cares nothing for the domestic policy impact of a second Trump term, or the fact that the Constitutional flaws regarding elections ALL favor the Republicans. She’s running around the gunpowder room playing with sparklers, and it’s not even her gunpowder room. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/30 "2024-02-24T14:36:06Z")
Imagine being a conscientious governmental middle manager, and having the people under you be replaced by MAGA approved people. It would be doubly worse if it was way too soon to retire. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/31 "2024-02-24T17:46:09Z")
Not to mention getting a Dominionist agency head and seeing civil service “reformed” so that pensions become privatized. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/32 "2024-02-25T04:20:15Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Imagine being a conscientious governmental middle manager, and having the people under you be replaced by MAGA approved people. It would be doubly worse if it was way too soon to retire. I think they’d fire the manager at the same time as their reports. Even if the manager is conservative by any reasonable standard, they still allowed those “undesirables” to come onboard. I think that’s how they’d look at it. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/33 "2024-02-25T04:23:03Z")
Exactly. The plan is to sweep out anyone not in the cult, no matter what level, office drones on up to managerial types. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/34 "2024-02-25T13:20:40Z")
If they have any brains at all 🤨 They would just start at the top. Then they can take care of the rest. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/35 "2024-02-25T13:26:46Z")
That’s what they tried last time, but it was too slow. Even by the end of Trump’s presidency, most government workers were still trying to do their jobs. That’s the “deep state” they keep complaining about. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/36 "2024-02-25T14:08:49Z")
Right. They don’t want people that will do their job, they want people in those positions that wiil do as they’re told. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/37 "2024-06-20T17:43:22Z")
For those who haven’t put in the time to get a sense of what Project 2025 is about, John Oliver’s most recent show does a pretty good job of covering its dystopian highlights with his usual blend of highly-caffeinated dry wit. **NOT SAFE FOR WORK** Just under 30:00, but a good episode. > **[Trump’s Second Term: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwqpx6lp_s%2F)** > > John Oliver discusses Donald Trump’s plans for a second term, why it could be much worse than his first term, and what Trump has in common with a hamster. Co... ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/38 "2024-06-20T18:18:50Z")
The part that catches my eye is the quote where the Project-2025 proponents describe the Biden administration as an example of “the inherent dangers of one-party rule”…while they themselves are calling for one-party rule. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/39 "2024-06-20T18:39:16Z")
To me, the ultimate example of projection is their stated **[plan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schedule_F_appointment)** to replace non-political, merit-based (ie, subject matter experts) federal career civil servants with loyalists, toadies, sycophants, and lackeys. Thus creating – by definition – [wait for it] The Deep State. You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-a-rw-blueprint-for-autocracy/993262/40 "2024-06-20T18:44:05Z")
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