# "Project 2025 is the agenda now" proclaim the MAGAts **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 7, 2024, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858 "2024-11-07T14:24:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/21 "2024-11-07T17:28:49Z")
I wonder how much of these plans or priorities are more than eight years old or so. Either way, I think a big part of the point is that it’s pretty scary to see so clearly what they want, even if they don’t succeed immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/22 "2024-11-07T17:31:35Z")
The Wiki page for Project 2025 has a good summary of it, and good-God is it scary. And some of it is flat-out ridiculous. A return to the gold standard? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/23 "2024-11-07T17:36:25Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > A return to the gold standard? Really? If you look at some of the Trump clips posted around here, the ones framed by advertisements, “Buy Gold!” is in regular rotation. Conspiracy Theories have almost entirely taken over the GOP now, and Gold Bugs have been a part of that community for decades. So it’s no surprise that this is in there somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/24 "2024-11-07T17:42:24Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > We may be heading back towards the era where the tops of all of the federal bureaucracies are replaced every time the administration changes - the spoils system from before the 1880s. Then maybe we’ll get a modern day Charles Guiteau. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/25 "2024-11-07T18:08:14Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > So was federal protection for abortion. Now it’s gone. And gone forever, short of a revolution. But we couldn’t even get enough people to just vote to protect bodily autonomy. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/26 "2024-11-07T19:13:18Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > Then maybe we’ll get a modern day Charles Guiteau. I’d rather have a modern day von Stauffenberg. If I were to actually advocate for that sort of thing. Which I am not. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/27 "2024-11-07T19:16:32Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I’d rather have a modern day von Stauffenberg. Trump has expressed admiration for Hitler’s generals (without being specific about which ones); presumably that extends to senior staff officers as well, jawohl? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/28 "2024-11-07T19:18:54Z")
Project 2025 is some scary shit and despite Trump the candidate’s lame-ass mutterings that he didn’t really know much about it, it is undeniable that he will be used as a tool by its proponents. He’s too stupid to keep them from advancing their agenda. Having said that, is the title of this thread accurate? Which MAGAts have come out and explicitly proclaimed, “whew, now we can start working on Project 2025”? In other words … cite? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not challenging the underlying assumptions here. But I do want to know if it’s now officially stated that the next administration plans to use Project 2025 as a blueprint. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/29 "2024-11-07T19:24:35Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > Having said that, is the title of this thread accurate? Which MAGAts have come out and explicitly proclaimed, “whew, now we can start working on Project 2025”? > > In other words … cite? Quite a few tweeted about it, but it’s probably 50/50 that they were just trolling, and maybe checking to see how warm the water is. [https://www.axios.com/2024/11/07/trump-project-2025-second-term-agenda](https://www.axios.com/2024/11/07/trump-project-2025-second-term-agenda) ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/30 "2024-11-07T19:27:42Z")
Thanks for the link, @Horatius. That was indeed a cite. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/31 "2024-11-07T19:32:39Z")
You have to remember that the plan is that we won’t “have to” vote anymore. If the voter rolls are purged of anyone likely to object, or state governments start deciding they, not the voters, get to pick presidents and Congressmen, why would the Rs care who objects? Cut Medicare and be damned! Your constituents don’t like it? Too bad! They don’t get to decide anymore who makes the laws. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/32 "2024-11-07T19:40:42Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Quite a few tweeted about it, but it’s probably 50/50 that they were just trolling, and maybe checking to see how warm the water is. The “just trolling” excuse doesn’t give any comfort from a historical perspective. Emergent fascism often starts with a “Ha ha, I was just joking!” response and rapidly progresses to “Ha Ha, you _thought_ I was just joking? Now get on the bus!” These Heritage Foundation fucksticks are deadly serious, and they didn’t gin up this 900 page policy “blueprint” in a single weekend bender; this is an agenda of long-standing desires just waiting for the right “useful idiot” to come along and start a fire, and Trump is like a prepubescent edgelord strapped with a flamethrower and walking through an oil refinery. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/33 "2024-11-07T19:44:05Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > The “just trolling” excuse doesn’t give any comfort from a historical perspective. Emergent fascism often starts with a “Ha ha, I was just joking!” response and rapidly progresses to “Ha Ha, you _thought_ I was just joking? Now get on the bus!” Yes, I agree, but that’s exactly what they’re doing right now, isn’t it? They post the tweets, and see who reacts. If it takes off in the right wing bubble, and lots of people start saying, “Fuck yeah! Go for it!”, then that’s what they’ll do. If the right wing response is more tepid, or even slightly negative, then they declare, “HA! Only joking, those libcommies fell for it!”, and make a note to boil the frog a bit longer before trying again. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/34 "2024-11-07T19:49:04Z")
On page 156, there’s a reference to the COVID-19 vaccine - with “vaccine” in quotes. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/35 "2024-11-07T19:55:06Z")
And on the topic of vaccines, there’s a good chance RFK Jr. will be on Trump’s cabinet. Bunch of anti-science nutters. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/36 "2024-11-07T19:56:11Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > there’s a good chance JFK Jr. will be on Trump’s cabinet That’d be a neat trick. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/37 "2024-11-07T19:57:00Z")
Fixed. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/38 "2024-11-07T21:16:20Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > On page 156, there’s a reference to the COVID-19 vaccine - with “vaccine” in quotes. That’s one of the weaker gigs; keep reading. The really juicy stuff starts at around page 400, and in general you get the impression that the committee who assembled this worked themselves up into an orgasmic frenzy the further along they got, engaging in a literary (and quite possibly literal) circle-jerk of right wing ejaculations. But here’s a good earlier bit calling out a Supreme Court Justice (three guesses but if you don’t nail it in the first two you really need to think about their priorities): > _As evidenced by the confirmation testimony of now-Associate Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, the progressive Left has so misused and altered the definition of what a ‘woman’ is that one of our U.S. Supreme Court Justices was unable to delineate clearly the fundamental biological and sexual traits that define the group of which she is a part.”_ > > _—p. 258-259_ Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/39 "2024-11-07T21:20:31Z")
IMHO, doubting strongly that the Heritage Foundation and their collaborators can get much of Project 2025 implemented in a Trump II is probably as safe as doubting that the **[Federalist Society](https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2024/11/04/how-the-federalist-society-shaped-americas-judiciary/)** could get conservatives onto benches. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/40 "2024-11-11T16:43:23Z")
Indeed. Are there any brakes on the Trump train left? I don’t think so. He and his cronies can pretty much do as they please. There is nothing to stop them and they know it and they WILL take full advantage of it. There is no reason to think they will exercise restraint. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858.md?page=3)