# "Project 2025 is the agenda now" proclaim the MAGAts **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 7, 2024, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858 "2024-11-07T14:24:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/41 "2024-11-11T17:24:34Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There is no reason to think they will exercise restraint. In fact, there is every reason to believe exactly the opposite. The guardrails (such as they were) are off and _devil take the hindmost!_ ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/42 "2024-11-11T17:33:26Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Are there any brakes on the Trump train left? I don’t think so. I just checked again. Seems they’re up to 53 seats in the Senate. They technically haven’t won the House _yet_, but they only need 4 more seats, and they’re leading in all the outstanding races, with most of the votes counted. It would take a literal miracle at this point for them to lose the House. So, yeah, barring the case of Republicans actually rebelling against Trump (and who would do that, after this election result?), Trump will have carte blanche to do whatever he wants. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/43 "2024-11-12T03:13:30Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I think it’s important for the opposition to figure out which hills to fight on… All of them. ---
**Author:** ![DaveUnknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DaveUnknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveUnknown)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/44 "2024-11-12T04:07:23Z")
Yes I can see it-- National Parks (including the nat’l mall & the memorials), blighted. Library of Congress, Censored. Smithsonian, whitewashed. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/45 "2024-11-21T14:09:36Z")
Not sure which Project 2025 thread this most belongs in, but this was the most recently updated, so I’ll put it here. Remember how Trump said he had nothing to do with P2025? No connection at all? _Only_ three of his nominees for top cabinet positions are contributing authors. Phew…what a relief it is only three. Well, there is a 4th under consideration. And yeah, Stephen Miller is loosely associated as well. But beyond that, Donald doesn’t know anything about P2025. Nothing he is interested in. /s > **[Trump, after distancing himself from Project 2025, picks people who worked on it](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2024/nov/20/trump-after-distancing-himself-from-project-2025-p/)** > > Donald Trump has named at least three nominees who are credited by name in Project 2025, a product of the conservative Heritage Foundation: Tom Homan, Trump’s pick for “border czar”; John Ratcliffe, Trump’s planned nominee for CIA director; and... ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/46 "2024-11-21T14:31:15Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > But beyond that, Donald doesn’t know anything about P2025. Nothing he is interested in. “I had no idea they worked on P2025!” “So now that you know, you’ll fire them, right?” “…” “You’ll fire them, Right?” ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/47 "2024-11-21T14:37:46Z")
Haha! I know that Star Wars meme. Anyway, Trump has no clue what Project 2025 is – he just knew it was bad for some reason and pretended to distance himself from it. Another lie that the electorate just ate up. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/48 "2024-11-21T14:43:56Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Anyway, Trump has no clue what Project 2025 is – he just knew it was bad for some reason and pretended to distance himself from it. The way I see it, P2025 is made up of three kinds of things. 1. stuff Trump agrees with 2. stuff Trump disagrees with 3. stuff Trump doesn’t care about. With regards to 1, of course they’ll do all of that, there will be no disagreements. The P2025 people will get right to work, and will let Trump take all the credit. With regards to 2, the P2025 people are smart enough to know not to antagonize Trump. They’ll let him have the “win” of shutting this down, safe in the knowledge that they’ll make huge advances on everything else, and can wait for Trump to die to advance these bits. With regards to 3, if Trump doesn’t care, he won’t care when the P2025 people he’s put in place start doing these things. So long as it doesn’t make Trump look bad, they’ll be given free rein. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/49 "2024-11-21T14:45:19Z")
You’re giving way too much credit to Trump for caring about policy at all. There’s nothing in there he agrees or disagrees with, it’s all stuff he doesn’t care about. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/50 "2024-11-21T14:48:47Z")
I’m not saying he’s read the thing, or anything like that. It’s just that it’s inevitable that there will be bits he agrees with, because it touches on just about everything the government does, and Trump has lots of opinions on that stuff. To say he doesn’t have such opinions is to ignore everything he did in his first term. He loves tax cuts, he loves tariffs, and he loves giving orders that make immigrants’ lives harder. In so far as P2025 addresses those issues, I suspect there’s at least some overlap with Trump’s opinions. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/51 "2024-11-23T01:13:14Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Remember how Trump said he had nothing to do with P2025? No connection at all? _Only_ three of his nominees for top cabinet positions are contributing authors. Phew…what a relief it is only three. Well, there is a 4th under consideration. And yeah, Stephen Miller is loosely associated as well. But beyond that, Donald doesn’t know anything about P2025. Nothing he is interested in. Well, this didn’t age so well. He’s added at least one more P2025 author to his potential cabinet. So, roughly at a half dozen. But, he still has no idea what P2025 is and has no interest in it! It is merely coincidence that they are ending up on his list. I didn’t realize that Pete Hegseth is part of a crazy far right Christian nationalist church, but he is. I posted about it over on the “Trump’s new cabinet” thread. He many not be a P2025 author, but P2025 is all about this crazy religion. [https://www.axios.com/2024/11/23/trump-russ-vought-omb-white-house](https://www.axios.com/2024/11/23/trump-russ-vought-omb-white-house) ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/52 "2024-11-29T20:38:10Z")
P2025 was a series of bookreport/resumes. What will really be interesting is how well it responds to, you know, everybody else. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/53 "2025-11-16T00:47:50Z")
> **[Trump's Crusaders: Christian Nationalists Are Gaining a Solid Foothold in...](https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/trumps-crusaders-christian-nationalists-are-gaining-a-solid-foothold-in-washington-a-643ab80d-fd36-4b45-924a-20fcef6b2e03)** > > U.S. President Donald Trump has opened the doors of power to far-right Christian nationalists. Their goal: an American theocracy. The separation of church and state in America is at risk. Seems Germany understands the threat and doesn’t pull punches … ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/54 "2025-11-16T09:23:48Z")
just a note: yesterday, head of USDA stated that SNAP recipients have to re-apply for benefits after shutdown ended ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/55 "2025-11-16T14:58:31Z")
And the agencies that handle those re-ups are all fully staffed, right? 🤦🏽‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/56 "2025-11-16T15:11:55Z")
that’s the point!–delays discourage those in need to apply, reducing number of recipients ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/57 "2025-11-16T15:20:10Z")
Sometimes being right really does suck. But it’s not surprising, like I said, there’s lots of easy ways to make large organizations like the government work just a little bit worse every day. We’ve seen it happening all year, this new “Renew your SNAP” thing is just the most obvious. And it’s worth noting their excuse for this: > The secretary said after receiving data on SNAP recipients from 29 red states that “186,000 deceased men and women and children in this country are receiving a check.” I’d bet good money that the vast majority of those 186,000 “people” are the same kind of mistakes we’ve seen before, when they’ve claimed that hundreds of thousands of dead people are voting, or receiving SS payments: They found someone with a similar name in the SS death records, and just assumed that this was the same person. It’s a trick they’ve pulled before, that the MAGAs bought completely, and it’s a lie they can tell about any government service used by millions of people. And that number? That’s about 0.4% of the 42 million people receiving some level of SNAP support. MAJOR FRAUD!!! Okay, that data is for 29 Red states, so the “real” number will be higher, but it’s still almost nothing. Millions of people are going to be harassed, and who knows how many kicked off SNAP (even briefly) because of minor mistakes in their applications, all to fix a alleged level of fraud that’s pretty much a rounding error, even if it were completely true. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/58 "2025-11-16T15:34:32Z")
I thought DOGE already got rid of all that waste? Speaking of that, whatever happened to DOGE? What a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/59 "2025-11-16T15:35:37Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Speaking of that, whatever happened to DOGE? Turns out, if you send a bunch of young guys to DC with high-paying jobs, they often _get wasted_. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858/60 "2025-11-16T20:56:02Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I’d bet good money that the vast majority of those 186,000 “people” are the same kind of mistakes we’ve seen before, when they’ve claimed that hundreds of thousands of dead people are voting, or receiving SS payments: They found someone with a similar name in the SS death records, and just assumed that this was the same person. It’s pretty clear they use AI to come up with these numbers. And AI is never wrong. It’s not like they are going to to an actual audit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-2025-is-the-agenda-now-proclaim-the-magats/1009858.md?page=2)