# Project Runway Finale Pt. 2 10/18/06 (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 19, 2006, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040 "2006-10-19T02:42:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/41 "2006-10-19T18:11:45Z")
Take a look at that dress in high resolution and you tell me. The buttons puckered and he used white thread to sew around the collar! [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=193&pos=7](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=193&pos=7) ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/42 "2006-10-19T18:16:47Z")
Sorry for all the posts- Take a look at Laura’s impeccable sewing. She knows what she’s talking about. [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=187&pos=5](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=187&pos=5) ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/43 "2006-10-19T19:36:58Z")
[QUOTE=Cockatiel] I haven’t really been following all of the SDMB threads on project runway, but what do the Dopers have against Jeffrey? [/QUOTE] Everything he designs is butt-ugly. And everything in his final show made the model look fat. When you can take a rail-thin model and put a dress on her that makes her look like a size 18, you know there’s something wrong with the dress. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/44 "2006-10-19T19:59:31Z")
[QUOTE=Grossbottom] But compared to Laura? That woman is a truly vile snide swamp creature from hell. “I want to beat Jeffrey on the runway.” Yeah, you mean after you tried to tattle on him and got told where to go? Abomination. [/quote] Were people freaking out this badly when Kayne went right to the producers after finding the books under Keith’s bed? No. No one was saying he should have confronted Keith first. Laura thought Jeffrey violated the rules and had an unfair advantage. AND HE DID-- he overspent, and had to get rid of one piece and all his stupid wigs. Laura did the right thing; she made an inquiry. What’s an abomination about that? > [@](#): > > I spent the whole finale hoping Jeffrey would snap and sew her overly lipsticked mouth shut. She looks like a sinister, pregnant Ronald McDonald to me. I was cheering for Uli anyway. I was hoping someone would hot-glue his face shut. He’s smarmy jerk. JMO. > [@](#): > > So what’s with all the Jeffrey hate? Did he murder someone earlier in the season or something? There are so many reasons across the season… read the threads on CS and find out. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/45 "2006-10-19T20:17:21Z")
This is what I was afraid of. Jeffrey is what? 35, 36? He has his own label, yet he’s never made it “big”, could it be because his stuff has very limited appeal? Yep. I agree with the concensus that Jeffrey was kept for dramatic reasons, for as many times as he was in the bottom two he should have been gone a couple times over. He should have definitely been gone in the Mother’s challenge and not because he was a jerk because that outfit was hideous and crappily made. Robert’s may have been boring but at least it was well made. I just don’t see the “innovative” in his work, call it what it is folks, it’s 80’s retro. If there was ever a decade that shouldn’t see a return of its fashions it’s the 80’s. If they were really only looking for innovative then they probably should have gone with Michael. Although Jeffrey may not be as much of an ass as he was edited to appear, I still don’t like seeing him win because it gives him the okay to continue being an ass and maybe become an even bigger one. The judges are often inconsistent in their criticisms and praise and that’s what really make this frustrating. The praise they give one contestant will be turned to a criticism on another contestant the next week, depending on whom they’re looking to get rid or or keep. Even though I almost always disagree with their decisions I will probably keep watching it for one reason only, I really enjoy watching the creative process of the challenges. I just have to learn not to give a shit about the contestants. ---
**Author:** ![PoorYorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecccb3/32.png) [@PoorYorick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoorYorick)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/46 "2006-10-19T20:22:45Z")
Can anyone tell me how reviewing Jeffrey’s receipts would have uncovered whether anyone else did the stitching? I just assumed that he would have paid whoever under the table. It seems pretty stupid to cheat and keep a receipt of it. Or am I just missing something? ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/47 "2006-10-19T20:42:53Z")
[QUOTE=Grossbottom] So what’s with all the Jeffrey hate? Did he murder someone earlier in the season or something? [/QUOTE] Imho, the problem is that he is so focused on \*\*his \*\* point of view that he can be quite rude to others, quite thoughtless, and quite selfish. But, of course, \*\*he \*\* doesn’t think he is any of those things. 😉 Truthfully, the thing that sealed the deal for me was the way he behaved with another designer - Angela. Granted, there’s a reason for him to dislike her, BUT, this professional man at the age of 36 made rude, belittling, childish comments to other designers about her and her mother with HER IN THE ROOM - just a table away. When she turned to talk to him about it he blew her off and said crap about hating to look at her(?) etc…\* (\*truthfully, this is the best that I can remember of the situation, but it was a month ago that this happened?) Completely not the way any adult should behave. Period. Oh, plus, dude, his dresses didn’t fit the \*\*models \*\* bodies, how are they gonna fit a woman over a size four? And even rich, young woman in california are occasionally over size four… ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/48 "2006-10-19T20:52:28Z")
Maybe there’s a standard per hour fee they’re charged? Jay paid someone to do quilting, and Daniel paid someone to do pleats and make handbags on the last show. > [@](#): > > Sorry, but it’s a poor analogy. If you threw me on the set of Top Chef and said “You have one hour to assemble everything and come up with a perfect dish”. I could make a go at it, but the results would be pretty poor at best. > > But then, if you gave me the same challenge and gave me the whole weekend to come up with the same dish, with access to recipe books and my own kitchen and supplies, does the fact that my dish is better prepared, more creatively realized, and better presented evidence that I had the chef down the street cook it for me? Of course not. If that was the situation, all the designers would have sloppy work because they were all under the same time restraints. Clearly if you look through all of their work, that’s not the case. Jeffrey’s work was almost always poorly made. Take a look through the album I linked to. It’s true. It’s not just a matter of not liking him or his designs which I didn’t, but the quality of his sewing was so bad. Look at the sleeves on this dress [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=175&pos=5](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=175&pos=5) Even this one, the bodice and belt are crooked and look a gathering. When she was standing in front of the judges the hem was clearly crooked. The judges even commented on the construction. [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=246&pos=6](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=246&pos=6) Even this from the runway last night, One sleeve was bigger than the other and look how poorly made it was [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=9](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=9) [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=37](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=37) ---
**Author:** ![susan\_foster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@susan\_foster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan_foster)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/49 "2006-10-19T21:11:10Z")
The dress I hated most was this one - [Splarkies – Financial advice and money saving tips.](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=21). What woman wants to have that silhouette? Susan ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/50 "2006-10-19T21:26:51Z")
[QUOTE=Caridwen] She did nothing wrong in questioning his clothes. What was wrong is she took all the heat for it and Uli pushed her under the bus. [/QUOTE] I have to wonder how much of what we saw with Uli was just a façade. The way she kept stealing other designer’s models (Keith’s, then Michael’s) and her putting Laura on the spot so it looked as though _only_ Laura had anything to say about Jeffry’s suddenly-improved work. I don’t know, it just seems… off. ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/51 "2006-10-19T22:30:23Z")
If you get to choose a model and you choose a model who’s good, it isn’t “stealing.” ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/52 "2006-10-20T00:24:14Z")
That’s true except she made a comment about ‘stealing’ Michaels model. I can’t remember now exactly how she phrased it, but it was to throw him off or something. Maybe someone else will remember how she said it but she didn’t say it was because she was a better model. Michael had won two competitions and she did that. Right after Keith won she chose his model too and laughed about it. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/53 "2006-10-20T00:58:54Z")
That was kind of it. How she acted wasn’t enough to make me revile Uli as I do, say, Vincent – but it was enough to give me pause. It just seemed a little more conniving than she had either presented herself, or been presented to us by the editing. Unlike Laura and Jeffry – and even putrid Vincent – whom I think we saw straight up, warts and all. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/54 "2006-10-20T02:31:53Z")
[QUOTE=Caridwen] Look at the sleeves on this dress [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=175&pos=5](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=175&pos=5) Even this one, the bodice and belt are crooked and look a gathering. When she was standing in front of the judges the hem was clearly crooked. The judges even commented on the construction. [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=246&pos=6](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=246&pos=6) Even this from the runway last night, One sleeve was bigger than the other and look how poorly made it was [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=9](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=9) [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=37](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=37) [/QUOTE] Precisely. While I’ll agree that the level of worksmanship might increase slightly with added time, you didn’t see a giant increase in the worksmanship of any of the other two people. Besides that, it’s not like they were given 2 months to do _one piece_, and comparatively speaking the whole 12 hours (or whatever it was) per 1 piece and 2 months per 12 pieces doesn’t lend itself to a significantly longer period of time in which to sew the finale pieces versus the challenge pieces. I think there’s probably a good chance he did outsource the work, or had some of his own people do the work for him, and of course he wouldn’t include those receipts in the ones he had to give to Tim. I just don’t think he deserved to win because his designs weren’t that great, and I don’t find them all that innovative, just kind of weird and ugly. -foxy ---
**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/55 "2006-10-20T02:48:01Z")
On the UK version of Project Runway, everyone hired someone to sew for the final challenge. I’m sure the rules were different, but it made a lot more sense to me. Designers don’t sew! They design. ---
**Author:** ![picunurse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@picunurse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picunurse)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/56 "2006-10-20T09:59:38Z")
The shorts issue was separate from the over budget issue. He didn’t have a receipt for the pleating on the shorts. Eliminating the wigs put him $400 under budget. I agree his workmanship sucked. Even though all of the contestants had egos too big to fit in the room together, Jeffery’s was beyond outrageous. I can’t understand why the judges all commented on the wearability of both Uli’s and Laura’s clothes then chose the only designer whose clothes NO ONE could look good in. :rolleyes: Yesss, I probably will watch next season. It’s a lot like slowing down passing a car accident… ---
**Author:** ![Greywolf73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@Greywolf73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greywolf73)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/57 "2006-10-20T12:03:26Z")
[QUOTE=Caridwen] Even this from the runway last night, One sleeve was bigger than the other and look how poorly made it was [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=9](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=9) [http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=37](http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=230&pos=37) [/QUOTE] :eek: I didn’t notice that at the time. But now that I’ve seen all the close-up links you’ve posted I simply cannot believe that Jeffery won or even made it to the final four. I still stand by my theory that Uli threw a monkey wrench into the producers’ plans in the final challenge by creating that beautiful outfit. She’d been so one-note up until then that I imagine the producers/judges were confident she’d do it once again and they could safely Auf’ her and give the final three to Michael, Laura and Jeffery. Not that that scenario had anything to do with the final decision, but still. I get the feeling that Jeffery was pegged as the winner since the beginning. For whatever reason–most likely because he made good tv being so abrasive and for those who actually like him there’s the heart-tugging recovering addict story. ---
**Author:** ![light\_strand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@light\_strand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/light_strand)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/58 "2006-10-20T13:57:22Z")
Funny how he had no receipt for the ONE ITEM he’d admitted he’d contracted out. Not just that, but he knew before he was told that he was going to need to lose the shorts because he had no receipt. He’s a freakin cheater, cheatee, cheat, cheat. And his 3/4 length pants looked dumb. And I hate people who get tattoos and use their bodies like post-it notes. He’s just like that weirdo; Shane, in Survivor last season. The more I think of it, and the more photos I see of his work, the more it pisses me off. Laura and Uli were robbed. ---
**Author:** ![light\_strand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@light\_strand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/light_strand)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/59 "2006-10-20T14:00:31Z")
Oh yeah, and Uli pissed me off too, with her passive aggressive crap. As soon as Laura came back to the room after talking to Tim, she pipes up with: “Jeffery, Laura has something to tell you”. It was just really bitchy. ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040/60 "2006-10-20T14:34:41Z")
Uli was what I call a “stealth bitch.” I much prefer the straight up kind. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-finale-pt-2-10-18-06-spoilers/377040.md?page=4)