# Project Runway starts again tonight! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 19, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896 "2013-07-19T00:24:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Rollo\_Tomasi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Rollo\_Tomasi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rollo_Tomasi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/181 "2013-09-14T14:46:47Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > LOL! Too true. And one can’t help but agree that Jeremy went home for designing exactly what the Belk exec didn’t want to admit his customers are looking for. . . Jeremy’s auffing is baffling to me for this exact reason. Did I love his design? Not particularly. But does it look like something you’d find in Belk? Absolutely, no question. He met the challenge’s requirements just fine, and he shouldn’t have gone home. I’m glad to see Dom get a win, and I agree that her second dress was much better, but did anyone else like her first one too? It would have been better with a shorter skirt, but I liked the colors and the sleeves. :shrug: I thought Bradon’s skirt was weird, especially those panels (or whatever they were) in the front. It’s ridiculous that Alexandria wasn’t in the bottom. I thought she was clearly the one that deserved to go. The top of the dress is especially badly made. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/182 "2013-09-14T15:07:31Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > The one she liked last week was the one with “poopy pants,” right? I’d rather look pregnant than look like I shit my pants. And I’m a guy! Yeah. Admittedly I’m not the target audience, but I don’t have the beginnings of an understanding of drop crotch anything; they all look like there’s been an accident either in the factory or the bowels. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/183 "2013-09-14T15:25:47Z")
> [@peedin](#): > > What will it take to kick Ken off??? He’s like the Teflon Don of Project Runway. This week on Project Runway it’s a Glamorous Grandma challenge with special guest Betty White! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/184 "2013-09-14T15:44:08Z")
> [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > This week on Project Runway it’s a Glamorous Grandma challenge with special guest Betty White! Isn’t it ironic that the first week that Jeremy won’t be there is the “Madame” challenge? ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/185 "2013-09-14T15:56:34Z")
> [@peedin](#): > > I wonder why Ken didn’t present a decoy collection at Fashion Week? TLo made a veiled reference to it “alphabetically by designer with one notable exception.” Did Ken’s head esplode with teh crazy? Word is that he was there at Fashion Week and then had another hissy fit and refused to show his collection at the last minute. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/186 "2013-09-14T17:44:51Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > LOL! Too true. And one can’t help but agree that Jeremy went home for designing exactly what the Belk exec didn’t want to admit his customers are looking for. . . His outfit is exactly what you will find at Belk. To a tee. I’ve been shopping at Belk my whole life. They carry Alfred Dunner - grandma-iest of grandma brands. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/187 "2013-09-15T20:49:41Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > His outfit is exactly what you will find at Belk. To a tee. I’ve been shopping at Belk my whole life. They carry Alfred Dunner - grandma-iest of grandma brands. Thank you for the info – I had never heard of Belk before this season and wasn’t sure what it was about. [These colors](http://www.belk.com/AST/Main/Belk_Primary/Women/Shop/Dresses/PRD~1500122D1240M/Donna+Morgan+Elbow+Sleeved+Color+Block+Shift+Dress.jsp?off=16&rCode=0400692778643&ZZ%3C%3EcS=157%2B179%2B165%2B92%2B160%2B102%2B157+179+165+92+160+102+148+127+159+103+72+94+78+34+150+74+101+86+167+95+111+25+144+152+79+155+166+90+88+175+100+164+28+85+3+154+4294967294+149+151+1+80+99+163+84+158+161+168+81+2+109+156+191+106+108+107+128+110+147+93+153+100%2B148%2B127%2B159%2B103%2B72%2B94%2B78%2B34%2B74%2B150%2B101%2B167%2B86%2B111%2B95%2B25%2B144%2B79%2B152%2B155%2B166%2B90%2B88%2B175%2B100%2B164%2B28%2B85%2B3%2B154%2B4294967294%2B149%2B151%2B1%2B80%2B99%2B163%2B84%2B158%2B161%2B168%2B2%2B81%2B109%2B156%2B191%2B106%2B108%2B107%2B110%2B128%2B147%2B153%2B93%2B100&ZZ%3C%3EtP=4294920942+131&ZZ_PO=0&fO=Category_Path%3A%2FBelk_Primary%2FWomen%2FDresses&ZZ_OPT=Y&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442241491&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302215300&bmUID=1379278040844) look familiar. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/188 "2013-09-15T23:21:07Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > The challenge is to “design a dress for the modern southern woman”, or, as half the designers seem to interpret it, ‘design the wardrobe for a Community Theater production of the plantation scenes from AUNTIE MAME’. > > St. Flannery of Connor was already writing about the homogenization of the American landscape 50 years ago and it’s only accelerated since then. Now that air conditioning has caught on around the country, I think people as a general rule dress more by socioeconomic class, age, and body type than by geo-region, then there’s the “What the hell is Southern?” question: a she-lawyer in Nashville, an IHOP manager in Atlanta, a young she-professor in Williamsburg, a lady actuary in Dallas, a hipster nurse practitioner in Biloxi, and a female Republican insurance exec in New Orleans, of assorted races and ages and ranging in weight from “not enough ass to last her til noon tomorrow” to “if she decides to haul ass it’s gonna take 4 trips”, are all southern women; which one are you dressing? > Now if they said “design something dressy for hot-as-hell-and-90%-humidity”, that would be more helpful. And would frankly be appropriate for Boston or NYC on some days of the year. > Or, design something for a woman going to a college football game that she can go nightclubbing in aftewards without changing: now THAT would be a modern southern woman challenge. Oh so true. I had no idea what the hell was going on there. > [@](#): > > Eh, things that revealing have won, or at least been waved through without comment, before. Those Pam Grier hot pants in Season 3(?) were _at least_ that short and the entire panel soiled themselves on how perfectly proportioned it all was. Just last week, Justin’s look had some actual butt-cheek peeking out. And let’s not even discuss how much of Heidi’s cervix we’ve all seen over the years in the outfits she chooses for the judging. “Oooh, that skirt is soooo short” my bleeding ass, Frau Gyno-fashion. I have to repeat that Frau Gyno-Fashion line a few dozen times or two. 😃 > [@](#): > > Also, I’m not quite getting all the “ooh, Ken is so crazy and scary” stuff. I mean, yes, he loses his shit fairly regularly. But it’s generally when someone has been doing something assy like interrupting or trying to talk over him, or being all snotty and condescending and calling him a child for asking a perfectly normal question. It would be better if he said “Please don’t interrupt me, it’s rude” rather than “I’m talking now, so you need to be quiet” and if he said “Don’t call me a child for asking a question, and also knock off the Secret Squirrel stuff, they’re both obnoxious” instead of cussing. But let’s not even pretend his outbursts are any way remotely comparable to the contestants who lose their shit because it’s a day that ends in Y, which there’s at least one of every single season. I think he’s a sexist jerk with a short temper who can’t any criticism. I would not want to work with the guy or buy his clothing. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/189 "2013-09-18T22:49:30Z")
Finally watched this last night. It was pretty sad how everybody just folded up and died when they were confronted with the prospect of “the modern Southern woman.” Lawzy Miss Scahlett! I don’t know nuthin’ about sewin’ no garments! I don’t know anything about how women in the South dress, but it just didn’t seem like a complicated design brief to me. I would have just made any daytime look I felt like making, as long as it wasn’t too warm, had a feminine flair, and wasn’t black or a really dull color.\* Dom’s second dress is a good example of what I mean. I liked the idea of doing a “modern interpretation of a shirt-dress” for this challenge, but I wasn’t crazy about Bradon’s actual design. The top was better than the bottom. I also don’t find plaid objectionable in any way, but another shirting material might have come off better. No idea how Ken wasn’t auf’d for that bizarro purple monstrosity that he turned his “beautifully cut nightgown” into. I was glad to see Jeremy go, however. I was sick of his smarmy ass. - I know southern women do wear these, but they wouldn’t have been right for this challenge. ---
**Author:** ![gotpasswords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@gotpasswords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gotpasswords)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/190 "2013-09-20T03:21:19Z")
Some padding to keep the spoilers hidden from preview in case you haven’t seen the show yet… Should be enough space by now, no? Let’s hope so… AT LAST! Ding dong, the bitch is dead! And more seriously, [Spoiler]Alexander survived by some sort of pure luck or divine intervention. To even think of tailoring a suit in two days? The lad must be feverish from over plucking those eyebrows. But I had no idea what the hell he sent down the runway other than some sort of a hot mess of a halfway started suit. Oh, and throwing the iron was a wee bit aggressive on his part.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Brynda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Brynda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynda)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/191 "2013-09-20T03:21:38Z")
Thank goodness the pissy bitch is gone. I was so glad to see Tim call him on his anger problem. I think he has probably hurt his career quite badly. I liked Helen’s dress, but I loved Joshua’s. So creative. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/192 "2013-09-20T04:20:15Z")
> [@gotpasswords](#): > > And more seriously, > > Alexander survived by some sort of pure luck or divine intervention. If by “divine intervention” you mean Ken making himself too much of a problem to keep around, then I agree. 🙂 All-in-all, though, I thought this was one of the more successful “real woman model” challenges they’ve had. The top three (Helen, Joshua, and Braden) were all very good, and so was Kate’s. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/193 "2013-09-20T04:25:01Z")
Finally the queen bitch is gone. I loved how even \*Tim \*seemed glad to see him go! When Tim walked into the room at the end, all he said to Ken was, “You’re happy? Good. I need to send you to the workroom to clean up your space.” No hugs, no tears, no goodbye wishes. ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/194 "2013-09-20T06:06:49Z")
> [@gotpasswords](#): > > Oh, and throwing the iron was a wee bit aggressive on his part. Yeah, I was pretty pissed that Ken got almost the entire brunt of disapproval from everybody. Tim did point out that Alexander’s behavior was inexcusable, but I was fully on Ken’s side. Alexander was a bitchy little snatch from the second he opened that door. ---
**Author:** ![JuliaSqueezer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@JuliaSqueezer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JuliaSqueezer)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/195 "2013-09-20T13:23:45Z")
What baffled me, and I admit that sometimes the details can derail me, was why Ken was so carefully ironing a pair of worn looking cut-off jeans when Alexander was trying to open the door. Do people really iron cut-offs? Just fashion designers? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/196 "2013-09-20T15:12:30Z")
Ken’s a jerk and I’m glad to see him go. If this really were reality television everyone else would have said so as well. I would have picked Justin’s look for the win. I thought it was adorable. I also thought Alexander’s was worse than Ken but it was clear that everyone finally wanted him gone. He needs to work out his issues with a psychiatrist rather than a television camera. ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/197 "2013-09-20T16:18:04Z")
Ken was wrong not to get out of the way when Alexander and Bradon were coming in. Alexander was wrong to knock the iron and ironing board over. I don’t blame Ken for getting angre, but his reaction was way OTT. Tim was right to call him out over anger management issues. he’s been a seething powder keg the entire season. I gasped in horror when I saw Dom’s dress and jacket. What a mess. She should have gone home for that, but her body of work in total has been decent. Kens’ wasn’t bad enough to send him home, but I agree that he was auffed for his behavior. Justin wuz robbed. His dress was classy and he respected his superfan’s request for modesty and he even made a corset for her to show off her new figure. And look! He put in sleeves, which is a rare event. I do not see why Helen’s dress won. I can’t think of single place I (or any other normal woman) would wear a satin gown. I don’t think the stay-at-home, work-from-home attorney has many opportunities to wear this “red carpet” dress. I think Helen is being set up for an epic fall. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/198 "2013-09-20T16:18:15Z")
I wonder how a devout Mormon (so devout it influences her fashion decisions) reconciles being a superfan of the reality show with more gay men per capita than the Garland-Minnelli family tree. ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/199 "2013-09-20T16:51:57Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder how a devout Mormon (so devout it influences her fashion decisions) reconciles being a superfan of the reality show with more gay men per capita than the Garland-Minnelli family tree. nm ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896/200 "2013-09-20T16:53:21Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder how a devout Mormon (so devout it influences her fashion decisions) reconciles being a superfan of the reality show with more gay men per capita than the Garland-Minnelli family tree. Do you think it’s like the Village People back in the 70s? It just sails over their heads or they just pretend it doesn’t exist [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/project-runway-starts-again-tonight/663896.md?page=11)