Prometheus discussion with open spoilers [edited title]

On the contrary, my original “Comic Book Guy” comment was intended as good-natured ribbing. (Note the smiley which punctuated the remark.) Sorry if it upset you.

As for me, I ain’t mad. Maybe it will help if you picture a half-smile on my face while reading my posts. :wink:

I don’t know about you but I can like a movie in more than one way and sometimes those ways come down on different sides of the like/dislike divide.

First, there is the visceral experience. Just at gut reaction while experiencing it. For me, on this level, Prometheus almost worked. The front half was so good that it took a lot of bad in the second half to kill that momentum.

Then there are secondary, more intellectual levels on which I consume the “art.” Maybe I admire what it was trying to do sufficiently that completely failing to achieve it doesn’t matter as much. Or maybe is has a place in context that I was unaware of that burnishes or diminishes it once I learn of it.

Maybe it plays better on second viewing when you know where it’ll end than it did on first viewing when you didn’t.

Maybe I liked it because I thought it presented a truth that later examination shows to be false.

All kinds of things can impact how I feel about something after that first visceral reaction.

I like most Jason Statham movies when I watch them in the theater. Purely a visceral reaction. And a few I even continue to like after I think about them a bit. But if you took, as an exaple, The Bank Job, which I consider a fine movie and demonstrated to me that it was full of pro-KKK propaganda that I simply missed before, I would like the movie less. Or showed me that it was written so that all dialogue was delivered in a clever meter then I might like it more.

So, you may find it odd that other people’s opinion of something wavers with time and discussion, but I find it equally odd if your opinion of something is set in stone as you experience it.

Just sharing this with everyone:

Red Letter Media talks about Prometheus

But the whole point of cutting her stomach open was so she would have no issue. :wink:

That’s awesome. Which is why I linked to it in post #291. :slight_smile:

The Squid Baby was Cthulu!

Arghh! Sorry. :frowning:

Seriously, I just want scientists in movies to behave somewhat like scientists.

“We’ve just come to an alien world and seen some structures. We shouldn’t bother with, I don’t know, flying by a few times and get a lay of the land and then wait for morning…no, let’s land here and rush off like fools with no plan whatsoever!”

You just journeyed years in hypersleep and you can’t wait a night? the captain, or the actually company boss, doesn’t squash this with a ‘safety first’ comment?

“Hey that have the same DNA as us! So obviously…they are our creator!?!”

Really? That is the only explanation for this? It isn’t possible that something else entirely created us both and they were long lost, and not very friendly, cousins?

“Hey, we’re hiding out in this dank dark cave, and there’s this alien snakey, squishy thingy. It’s the first live alien life form we’ve ever seen, so obviously it’s safe to go up and touch it.”

I think this doofus would have died no matter what environment he was dropped in.

“I’m a robot and I have found some material which I have made no attempt to identify. Let’s slip some into a human’s alcohol-based beverage!”

Yeah, I’m rehashing, but I just saw it last night and I needed to vent.

Well, Prometheus, for one, although I should clarify that there’s a difference between being convinced not to like something, and being convinced that something wasn’t very good. I enjoyed Prometheus in the theater, but I was aware that there were some substantial flaws in it. After the movie was over, I tried to resolve those flaws in a way that would make them work with the movie - you can see some of the results of my thoughts in this thread. Based on the counter-arguments from people who didn’t like the movie, and new flaws that I missed entirely on my own viewing (the “36 hours” cracks me up), I’ve come to the conclusion that the film’s flaws are indefensible. That doesn’t mean I don’t like the movie, although I know from past experience that there’s a good chance that on second viewing, I won’t be able to get past the flaws a second time, and will find the film much less enjoyable - perhaps even disliking it outright.

What it comes down to is that my enjoyment of a film (or any work of art) isn’t predicated solely on it ability to viscerally entertain me. I want some level of intellectual or emotional engagement, and those are factors that are not always immediately obvious. They’re often something that need to be resolved through consideration after the fact, and as an intellectual exercise, the input and observations of other people can be useful. Intellectually, I don’t think this film holds together, and for something that’s clearly trying to put itself forward as an intellectual film, that’s a pretty major failing. Does it cripple my appreciation of the film? Not quite, I don’t think, and I’m very interested in seeing the inevitable director’s cut to see if it resolves any of the film’s problems. But while I will still say that I liked Prometheus, I would not, by any stretch, call it a good film. I’d probably have reached that conclusion on my own, eventually, but conversation about the film both here and IRL helped cement that perception.

I’m with Miller, in general: the more I became aware of the flaws, the more I was disappointed, and have come to the conclusion that Prometheus is just sloppy in a lot of indefensible ways. That said, I still enjoyed it for the beautiful visuals (going back to see it in 3D was WELL worth it), some of the acting, and the attempt to tackle some big topics-- and I’m looking forward to the DVD release not only to see if the additional footage helps at all (something I doubt), but also so we can sit around the living room and heckle the living hell out of it, which will be great fun.

On an entirely different note, if anyone is curious about what David actually said to the Engineer at the end, Dr. Anil Biltoo, the language consultant for the film, has provided the answer. The language was loosely based on Proto-Indo-European (which David is learning in the beginning, when he recites Schleicher’s Fable), and the original filmed conversation was longer and should show up on the DVD.

Huh. Knowing what David said is kind of a letdown, since it gets us no further towards understanding why the BBA was pissed.

Very good. golf clap

Same here. I was expecting this to be intelligent SF with a horror twist.

I agree. If anything, it just makes the situation even more baffling.

Hilarious. I didn’t see this posted earlier.

Yeah, but it sounds like they actually DID have a conversation, and Ridley cut it out. I guess they wanted it for the dvd release? I don’t know, but that would have helped a lot, giving the audience an inkling of an idea as to the engineer’s thought process.

That’s the thing that bugs me about the film. It appears to me that they edited not because it would help the pacing or keep the story tight, but to sell ‘director’s cuts’ and sequels and that just rubs me the wrong way.

When we look at some of the previous films deleted scenes, we can see that they made decisions, (mostly) to increase suspense or the tighten the pacing. In Prometheus, all they seemed to want to do what muddy the waters enough to justify squeezing more money out of the viewers. They ended up IMO, making a bad film, because their goal wasn’t to tell a story, but to sell tickets to the next installment.

I think it is a combination of what you said, and just plain sloppy writing in the script. I think it’s horrible though that the theatrical release CUT OUT the pivotal scene where the alien menace would explain the film’s entire premise: why are we destroying you? Given the writing in other scenes, maybe it’s really just not that interesting as a conversation as i imagine it to be.

Yeah, it probably wouldn’t be satisfying, given the rest of the film. Best-case scenario, he confirms that they didn’t change their mind about killing us, they just had an accident on the way. That could be interesting, leading to a crisis of faith in Weyland and Shaw.

I guess “the alien cartoonishly bats the humans across the room for no discernible reason” was a good option too, though.

Of course! For us simple-minded moviegoers, pointless violence is always the best tactic.