# Prominent Self Hatred **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819 "2009-02-07T17:41:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/1 "2009-02-07T17:41:46Z")
I was just reading an interview of Bobby Fischer where he says the following: > [@](#): > > Nothing. These fucking Jews are thieves, they are liars, they are mother fuckers, and it’s time we took care of these bastards. > > . . . > > the fucking Jews want to destroy everything I’ve worked for all my life. There as no Holocaust. The Jews are liars. it’s time we took off the kid gloves with these parasites. The challenge is to think of prominent people from ethnic Group X who hate Group X. ---
**Author:** ![WasslKitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/779978/32.png) [@WasslKitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WasslKitty)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/2 "2009-02-07T18:24:32Z")
Not much of a challenge. I can think of any number of leaders of the Civil Rights movement such as Stokley Carmichael who later launched vicious attacks on people like Martin Luther King Jr, calling them Uncle Toms. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/3 "2009-02-07T18:27:38Z")
I know that Mr. Fischer was of Polish Jewish descent, but do we have evidence that he was raised in the religion? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/4 "2009-02-07T18:29:42Z")
> [@WasslKitty](#): > > Not much of a challenge. I can think of any number of leaders of the Civil Rights movement such as Stokley Carmichael who later launched vicious attacks on people like Martin Luther King Jr, calling them Uncle Toms. That’s not really the same thing. The slur “Uncle Tom” is used against perceived self-haters and sell-outs. So if anything, Carmichael was playing the “blacker than thou” card. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/5 "2009-02-07T21:48:59Z")
[Israeli Neo-Nazis?](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6985808.stm) ---
**Author:** ![Vox\_Imperatoris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Vox\_Imperatoris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vox_Imperatoris)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/6 "2009-02-07T21:55:54Z")
Well there was that one documentary by the respected anthropologist David Chappelle… Valete, Vox Imperatoris ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/7 "2009-02-08T00:51:53Z")
I’ve heard from any number of openly gay people in the public eye who hate other gay people or – more commonly – gay culture, the idea of gay culture or their concept of what gay culture is. And of course there are any number of queer people who spend their days tearing down entire other segments of the queer community (gays who can’t stand lesbians, transsexuals who think genderqueers are icky, butches who hate femmes, all of the above vice versa, etc.) I can’t call them to mind at present but I throw it out there so others can supplement it. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/8 "2009-02-08T01:10:07Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > I’ve heard from any number of openly gay people in the public eye who hate other gay people or – more commonly – gay culture, the idea of gay culture or their concept of what gay culture is. And of course there are any number of queer people who spend their days tearing down entire other segments of the queer community (gays who can’t stand lesbians, transsexuals who think genderqueers are icky, butches who hate femmes, all of the above vice versa, etc.) > > I can’t call them to mind at present but I throw it out there so others can supplement it. When I was in college in New Orleans, I used to hang out with some rather prominent gay men including newscasters and military officers. The one thing that would piss them all off beyond belief was being approached by “nancy boys”. That was completely intolerable and I have never heard such hate speech and threats of violence before or since. My boss at a hotel was one of the ones involved and he was constantly on watch for nancy boys so that he could find a way to start trouble with them. He was a large, menacing Irish guy with a deep voice and would make it a point to embarrass them even if it took song and dance to humiliate them in the bar. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/9 "2009-02-08T02:25:16Z")
Not well known outside Japan, but Gregory Clark (a professor at Akita University) writes frequent editorials to the Japan Times defending anti-foreigner discrimination. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/10 "2009-02-08T04:02:15Z")
> [@Sublight](#): > > Not well known outside Japan, but Gregory Clark (a professor at Akita University) writes frequent editorials to the Japan Times defending anti-foreigner discrimination. I heard he also triggers massive :rolleyes: from the people who even agree with him though, just because his mouth foams just a liiiitle too much. Any truth to that? ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/11 "2009-02-08T04:38:50Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > I’ve heard from any number of openly gay people in the public eye who hate other gay people or – more commonly – gay culture, the idea of gay culture or their concept of what gay culture is. And of course there are any number of queer people who spend their days tearing down entire other segments of the queer community (gays who can’t stand lesbians, transsexuals who think genderqueers are icky, butches who hate femmes, all of the above vice versa, etc.) > > I can’t call them to mind at present but I throw it out there so others can supplement it. I remember this coming up when did a study of queer film in the 1990s and discovered that some remarkably homophobic films were helmed by gay filmmakers. I can’t think of any off the top of my head at the moment though. I keep thinking of films by Friedkin, like _Cruising_ but I believe Friedkin is straight. If I wasn’t so tired, I could probably remember. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/12 "2009-02-08T04:53:15Z")
Scroll through any number of left wing blogs, and you’ll have no trouble finding Americans who loathe the United States with every fiber of their beings. ---
**Author:** ![Vox\_Imperatoris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Vox\_Imperatoris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vox_Imperatoris)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/13 "2009-02-08T04:54:57Z")
> [@Sublight](#): > > Not well known outside Japan, but Gregory Clark (a professor at Akita University) writes frequent editorials to the Japan Times defending anti-foreigner discrimination. I’m curious: how does he frame this? “Sure, a few are good (like me), but overall they’re evil and should be kept out at all costs,”? Valete, Vox Imperatoris ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/14 "2009-02-08T07:42:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I know that Mr. Fischer was of Polish Jewish descent, but do we have evidence that he was raised in the religion? If you read the interview, it doesn’t seem that Fischer is limiting himself to religious Jews and/or excluding secular Jews. Admittedly, the word “Jewish” is arguably ambiguous. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/15 "2009-02-08T07:43:26Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > [Israeli Neo-Nazis?](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6985808.stm) I’m asking for people with at least some amount of notoriety. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/16 "2009-02-08T07:49:10Z")
> [@Vox\_Imperatoris](#): > > I’m curious: how does he frame this? “Sure, a few are good (like me), but overall they’re evil and should be kept out at all costs,”? > > Valete, > Vox Imperatoris I’m not over there and would appreciate Sublight’s input on this matter as well, but from what I gather anti-Gaijin-rights isn’t exactly a hard to defend position over there, the other side is gaining ground, but it’s not exactly hard to get the picture of people’s views on the issue when people are crossing the street to get away from you at night (what some friends reported when they went). It’s just I’ve heard this guy in particular is just a little bit frothing to the point people go “woah, dude, I hate these guys as much as you but… no, seriously.” I don’t think he frames it at all, he just assumes he gets brownie points for being “the cool Gaijin who totally, like, you know, gets them and everything.” (Again, I’m not over there, just reporting what I heard). So basically he’s using the “I’m a Ghetto black who hates Ghetto blacks, see how cool I am?” defense. And we all know how absolutely great that works outside comedy circles. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/17 "2009-02-08T08:01:23Z")
Examples are not hard to find on any left-wing campus in America these days. While I attended Harvey Mudd College, we got regular messages from President Strauss saying things like: “As members of the white ruling class, it is incumbent upon us to remember that we are recipients of unearned privilege. We have all benefited greatly from the exploitation of the poor and minorities. Even if we are not active members of groups that promote racism, we are all racists because we participate in the social and economics system that is built on racism etc… etc…” (Not a direct quote, but we got a lot of stuff with that general flavor.) Needless to say, President Strauss himself was white and wealthy, and he was hardly the most extreme case. Many of the professors were much worse. Try googling for “Kerri Dunn”. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/18 "2009-02-08T08:19:56Z")
Dr. Laura hates women. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/19 "2009-02-08T09:19:02Z")
> [@](#): > > **ITR champion** : “As members of the white ruling class, it is incumbent upon us to remember that we are recipients of unearned privilege. We have all benefited greatly from the exploitation of the poor and minorities…” If you were receiving messages like this on a regular basis, it would suggest to me that President Strauss was rather enjoying his privileges and benefits. **astorian** , the Constitution is a very “left wing” document. I remember an experiment in the late Sixties or early Seventies in which members of the counterculture tried to get people to sign copies of the Bill of Rights. So many people just wouldn’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819/20 "2009-02-08T09:26:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I know that Mr. Fischer was of Polish Jewish descent, but do we have evidence that he was raised in the religion? Being Jewish isn’t just a religion, it’s also a heritage/ethnicity. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/prominent-self-hatred/484819.md?page=2)