# Pronouns and idiot fascists

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [August 26, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369 "2022-08-26T01:57:51Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/61 "2022-08-30T12:54:03Z")

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I would personally adopt “Mx”, except I can’t think of the last time I actually used a title. I go by my first name at work. And if I get some random wedding invitation or something that’s addressed to “Ms”, I’m probably not going to know in advance and be asked my title, and I’m certainly not going to make a huge fuss over it on a one-off situation.

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/62 "2022-08-30T12:56:24Z")

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I’m not going to spend a lot of time on this because of my “rule 3.” The source here is a TERF organization, someone who has a clear agenda.

The purpose of my post was to try and get you to realize the information silo you are in. You’ve been told to hate, and you follow orders. Quoting from your scripture isn’t going to work.

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/63 "2022-08-30T12:56:47Z")

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> [@puzzlegal](#):
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> There is a very successful effort to smear trans women in the UK right now. A friend who is closer to it than i am said there are even publicly accessible sites where the leaders of the movement discuss strategies, and what types of stories work best to spread outrage and violence against trans women.

Wait until they find out that in the UK there are stage shows hosted by drag queens and featuring lesbian couples (including women in male drag) in romantic relationships and risqué material, that are explicitly aimed at young children. Just imagine the uproar!

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**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/64 "2022-08-30T13:04:52Z")

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The UK has just seen enough instances of trans activists [harrassing lesbians for objecting to sexual coercion](https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/joyce-activated-issue-7/), [ejecting lesbians from Pride because they insist on the actual definition of what a lesbian is](https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/28/pride-cymru-and-the-rise-of-woke-homophobia/), [assaulting 60 year old women](https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/06/21/interview-maria-maclauchlan-gra-aftermath-assault-speakers-corner/) and so on and so forth

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/65 "2022-08-30T13:04:54Z")

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> [@JRDelirious](#):
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> Well, this is one sadly unsurprising unpleasant spiral this has taken, even if from a previously unexpected source (maybe I just had not been following their prior posts too closely)…

Unfortunately this is their second time. The first time, they said some transphobic shit outside the pit and got modded for it. They freaked the fuck out that we all actually support trans people (and were just lying out of politeness) and then flounced.

Because of this past history, I am disappointed they didn’t get a second warning for trying again. Maybe reporting their more recent posts will help, since they keep on insisting that trans women are male. And they’re so angry that they can’t follow the rules.

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/66 "2022-08-30T13:07:02Z")

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> [@Aspidistra](#):
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> The UK has just seen enough instances of trans activists [harrassing lesbians for objecting to sexual coercion](https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/joyce-activated-issue-7/), [ejecting lesbians from Pride because they insist on the actual definition of what a lesbian is](https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/28/pride-cymru-and-the-rise-of-woke-homophobia/), [assaulting 60 year old women](https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/06/21/interview-maria-maclauchlan-gra-aftermath-assault-speakers-corner/) and so on and so forth

How dare they persecute the people who are working to actively persecute them?

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**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/67 "2022-08-30T13:09:23Z")

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This is not a cite for your claim. Please try again

> [@Aspidistra](#):
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> They are just as likely to be sex offenders as any other male people are.

That’s your claim. Here’s my cite for the price of tea in China, which also has nothing to do with your claim.

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**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/68 "2022-08-30T13:33:44Z")

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This topic is temporarily closed for at least 4 hours due to a large number of community flags.

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/69 "2022-08-30T14:36:26Z")

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> [@Miller](#):
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> This is only a note, but any further misgendering will result in a formal warning.

> [@Aspidistra](#):
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> They are just as likely to be sex offenders as any other male people are

> [@Aspidistra](#):
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> The male person watching little girls get undressed is completely normal.

[Moderating]  
This is a formal warning for misgendering and ignoring mod instructions.  
[/Moderating]

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**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/70 "2022-08-30T16:02:43Z")

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/71 "2022-08-30T17:14:53Z")

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Has it _really_ been six years already?

> [@I Pit Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-aspidistra/960847/44):
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> So, see you in six or more years I guess

/s

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**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/72 "2022-08-30T17:30:47Z")

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I posted in that thread! You and I had a cake day back then.

So, I guess the transphobic asshole has pinged my radar before. Was that they last time they posted? Their post here says, first time in four months.

They’re the transphobe fairy - shows up every time there a thread about transphobia to confirm our opinion of them and sprinkle fairy bullshit.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/73 "2022-08-30T17:39:05Z")

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> [@RitterSport](#):
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> Was that they last time they posted?

Yep.

BTW, they’re Australian, AFAIK, not British.

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**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/74 "2022-08-30T17:42:13Z")

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Oops, I guessed that wrong.

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**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/75 "2022-08-30T17:43:28Z")

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> [@Aspidistra](#):
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> Because they’re male.

We’re in the Pit, right?

Yeah.

You suck. Fuck you.

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**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/76 "2022-08-30T18:24:22Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> BTW, they’re Australian, AFAIK, not British.

Thanks! So, bigotoredooed instead of bigoted.

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**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/77 "2022-08-30T19:19:49Z")

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> [@wguy123](#):
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> Or as they call him in his home-away-from-home, Cancún, Señor Culo.

“Senator Culo? Senator Culo votes Nay…” it does have a nice ring to it.

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**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/78 "2022-08-31T02:43:55Z")

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> [@Icarus](#):
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> Which is kinda strange to me, as the dynamics of stoking outrage for votes seems unnecessary. Those voters are going to vote for the GOP anyway. Do they think they will harvest enough fence sitters to their side, minus the LGBT+ voters going the other way? Odd calculus.

It isn’t calculating to get votes. It’s fostering the cult mentality of getting the members to believe insane shit, because that makes regular people reject them, which fosters in-group solidarity. The same technique as in fascism.

The cruelty is not a byproduct of the politics. _The cruelty is the point._

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**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/79 "2022-08-31T02:59:13Z")

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> [@JRDelirious](#):
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> Ugh. Then again I am a known skeptic of the “x” ing of language for the sake of inclusion.
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> I’d go revolutionary and make the standard form of address “Citizen \_\_\_\_\_” or, if that’s too French for them, y’know what, blow their minds and make it “Comrade \_\_\_\_\_”.

I don’t care for Mx. either. Citizen would be my second-best choice. My first choice: I’m holding out for borrowing the Hindi _ji_, the universal honorific.

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**Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pronouns-and-idiot-fascists/970369/80 "2022-08-31T03:02:05Z")

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Assholepidistra, the punishment you deserve for your sins, that I richly hope you get, is to one day love a trans person, only to look back and realize with horror the harm you’ve done, and desperately wish you could expiate it.

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