# Proof of the resurrection of Jesus Christ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 24, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129 "2018-03-24T21:26:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/361 "2018-03-27T20:09:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who were they, and what did they claim to see? Read the Bible. John 14, etc.1 Corinthians 15:3-8. John, Thomas, Phillip, Judas (the other Judas), pretty much all the Apostles, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James, Cephas, and of course Saul of Tarsus. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/362 "2018-03-27T20:11:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Argument By Authority _again?_ By the way, are you claiming that the ones you’ve named and the supposed hundreds you haven’t all shared the same beliefs? Again, that is not 'argument by authority". I do not claim that because those worthies believe you should also. My argument is simply that those men are rational and objective , despite **Rieman** s claim that he can define who is and who is not rational and objective. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/363 "2018-03-27T20:12:02Z")
Is it that the apologists don’t know what constitutes actual evidence or is it that the apologists don’t care what constitutes actual evidence? Because “eyewitness” evidence of the continuing existence of someone who died 1000+ years prior to the “eyewitness” seeing that someone in person doesn’t seem to stand up. It wouldn’t stand up in court. It doesn’t stand up in a scientific inquiry. Occam’s Razor says those people were delusional, even if only when it comes to their chosen religion’s claims. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/364 "2018-03-27T20:13:06Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > And were they sure it was Jesus and not an imposter? How do you know? Thomas personally put his hands into the wounds. ---
**Author:** ![senoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@senoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/senoy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/365 "2018-03-27T20:14:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _How many of those were actual witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus?_ Certainly not the whole shebang, but it was a rebuttal that the people who were actually in the area where this happened didn’t believe the claim and that doesn’t seem to be true. There were large numbers of people in the area where the events occurred who did believe. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/366 "2018-03-27T20:14:35Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Is it that the apologists don’t know what constitutes actual evidence or is it that the apologists don’t care what constitutes actual evidence? Because “eyewitness” evidence of the continuing existence of someone who died 1000+ years prior to the “eyewitness” seeing that someone in person doesn’t seem to stand up. It wouldn’t stand up in court. Eyewitness evidence doesnt stand up in court? You are utterly and completely wrong. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/367 "2018-03-27T20:15:15Z")
Oh, Jesus Christ! (If you’ll excuse the exclamation…) Are we back to believing that the Bible is in any way an objective, trustworthy history? Do you not see how that IS NOT EVIDENCE? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/368 "2018-03-27T20:16:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Francis Bacon, Galileo, Pascal, Boyle, Newton, Euler, Lavoisier, Linnaeus, Cuvier, Faraday, Maxwell, Mendel, Pasteur, Kelvin, Marconi, Carver, Fleming,Heisenberg, Dyson, and literally hundreds of Nobel laureates. All of whom pretty much define “rational and objective”. > > Do you deny those worthies are rational and objective? Are you trying to claim _you_ are more rational and objective than those worthies?:rolleyes: And in this corner in the silver and blue trunks: Einstein, Feynman, Krauss, Sagan, Dawkins, Harris, Hawking, Dirac, Tyson, Shermer, Stenger, Pinker, Dennett, etc… Ladies and Gentlemen… let’s get ready to RUMMMBLLLLE!! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/369 "2018-03-27T20:17:35Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Eyewitness evidence doesnt stand up in court? You are utterly and completely wrong. Eyewitness evidence is often wrong or mistaken. Even for very recent events. Eyewitness evidence is not considered as reliable as actual physical evidence. And if you walk into a courtroom and try to get the Gospel narrative(s) declared true by calling in modern “eyewitnesses” who have seen Jesus, they’ll laugh you out of that courtroom (as long as it’s not in Alabama, Mississippi or the Florida panhandle). ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/370 "2018-03-27T20:20:15Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Oh, Jesus Christ! (If you’ll excuse the exclamation…) Are we back to believing that the Bible is in any way an objective, trustworthy history? Do you not see how that IS NOT EVIDENCE? I am not claiming the Bible is objective. I accept that you feel that the evidence presented is thus biased. But, despite that is it\* still evidence. \* ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/371 "2018-03-27T20:20:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Thomas personally put his hands into the wounds. according to ? (the irony here folks, is that Thomas - a disciple who was present for the events - refused to believe until given physical evidence of the risen christ) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/372 "2018-03-27T20:21:49Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Eyewitness evidence is often wrong or mistaken. Even for very recent events. Eyewitness evidence is not considered as reliable as actual physical evidence. It is still evidence, and admissible to every court in the land. You claim was that eyewitness testimony was not evidence and that is patently not true. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/373 "2018-03-27T20:22:51Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I am not claiming the Bible is objective. I accept that you feel that the evidence presented is thus biased. But, despite that is it\* still evidence. \* Anecdote, no matter how well publicized =/= evidence. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/374 "2018-03-27T20:23:15Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > And were they sure it was Jesus and not an imposter? How do you know? > [@DrDeth](#): > > Thomas personally put his hands into the wounds. :rolleyes: I repeat: How do you know? We don’t even have Thomas’ word for it, all we have is secondhand via “John.” And back to my question, which may have been unclear, how were the supposed 500 “witnesses” sure it was Jesus and not an imposter? How do you know? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/375 "2018-03-27T20:23:20Z")
> [@simster](#): > > according to ? > > (the irony here folks, is that Thomas refused to believe until given physical evidence of the risen christ) John, the beloved Disciple, who witnessed it first hand. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/376 "2018-03-27T20:24:29Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Anecdote, no matter how well publicized =/= evidence. That is not true. Eyewitness testimony is all anecdotal and is admissible to every court in the land. > **[18 U.S. Code § 3502 - Admissibility in evidence of eye witness testimony](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3502)** The testimony of a witness that he saw the accused commit or participate in the commission of the crime for which the accused is being tried shall be admissible in evidence in a criminal prosecution in any trial court ordained and established under article III of the Constitution of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/377 "2018-03-27T20:27:10Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > John, the beloved Disciple, who witnessed it first hand. hearsay - not admissable - where is Thomas’s writings of said event? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/378 "2018-03-27T20:27:57Z")
> [@simster](#): > > hearsay - not admissable - where is Thomas’s writings of said event? John saw and recorded what Thomas did, that’s not hearsay. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/379 "2018-03-27T20:28:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > That is not true. Eyewitness testimony is all anecdotal and is admissible to every court in the land. Do you what it would be called if “John”(or whoever it was that wrote those particular gospels) tried to speak about what 500 anonymous people saw and/or heard? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/380 "2018-03-27T20:30:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > John saw and recorded what Thomas did, that’s not hearsay. When and/or where did Thomas confirm this? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129.md?page=20)