# Proof of the resurrection of Jesus Christ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 24, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129 "2018-03-24T21:26:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/622 "2018-04-02T22:45:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You cant prove that Hitler was real, either. > > Nor have I said that it can be proven the Jesus rose from the dead. Heck, I can’t prove that I’m not a figment of my own imagination. But I have a body of evidence for some things that is bigger than the body of evidence available for other things. The evidence for a historical Jesus is scant. Very little of it is contemporaneous to his life. None of it is verifiably first hand. Its plagued with the issues of the era in which it was written - no mass reproduction of content, documents copied and recopied by hand (with all the the errors that might occur in transcription), recorders of History who do not meet modern standards for historians. Nevertheless, I believe its probable he existed, but the quantity and quality of evidence does not rise to what I’d consider proof. Therefore, I would be very hard to convince there was proof of a resurrection of a person I don’t think has been proven to have existed (even though I think its probable he existed) The evidence for a historical Hitler fills rooms. We have film and video. We have his own writing and the writing of others that knew him personally. We have court records and government documents and newspaper accounts and images of him on film. We have the diaries and journals of people who knew him. I am willing to look at the quantity and quality of evidence available and say it is sufficient to prove Hitler existed. That doesn’t mean there is sufficient evidence he was living in South America in the 1960s. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/623 "2018-04-03T00:37:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > That would be hard since also Peter, John and especially James, the Brother of Jesus, who was historically stoned to death because he preached the Word. Have you ever considered that if James were actually the brother of Jesus, that would mean that Mary was not “ever virgin.” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/624 "2018-04-03T00:50:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Most people werent illiterate, perhaps they would be considered today “functionally illiterate” but it is clear most people read and enjoyed graffiti. Weeeeeeel, most historians agree that at best, in the cities, literacy could be as high as 10%, in Palestine it was closer to 3%, or even 1%. Out in the sticks it was mostly 0%, like for fishermen like Peter and John: > [@Acts 4:13](#): > > Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![charkbite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@charkbite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/charkbite)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/625 "2018-04-03T00:53:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You cant prove that Hitler was real, either. Really? Or did you just feel compelled to invoke Godwin’s Law after 12 pages? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/626 "2018-04-03T01:05:45Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Have you ever considered that if James were actually the brother of Jesus, that would mean that Mary was not “ever virgin.” Quite possibly, but that is Catholic Dogma. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/627 "2018-04-03T01:14:37Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Weeeeeeel, most historians agree that at best, in the cities, literacy could be as high as 10%, in Palestine it was closer to 3%, or even 1%. Out in the sticks it was mostly 0%, like for fishermen like Peter and John: Then why is there graffiti everywhere when only 1% could read it? It all depends on your definition of “literacy”. [http://documents.routledge-interactive.s3.amazonaws.com/9781138776685/Ch8/Literacy%20in%20the%20Roman%20World.pdf](http://documents.routledge-interactive.s3.amazonaws.com/9781138776685/Ch8/Literacy%20in%20the%20Roman%20World.pdf) \*Many of the debates on ancient literature spring not only from divergent evidence but from the fact that scholars have different definitions of literacy. For example, Professor William Harris, one of the most distinguished scholars on the subject, suggests a very low rate for literacy in the ancient world (10 per cent at best). He reached this conclusion by assessing a variety of evidence, from the ancient sources to archaeological surveys, and searching for conclusive proof for formal education, either as a concept or as an object (e.g. school buildings). His opinion is contested by a number of scholars who cite case studies in places like Pompeii, where, in addition to monumental inscriptions, there is an abundance of graffiti in houses, bars, brothels and notably on the steps of public buildings, which could have been used as covered venues for teaching (see the bibliography below). The poet Martial complains about the constant barrage of noise in the city: ‘There’s no place for a poor man to think or rest. Schoolmasters disturb life in the morning, the bakers at night, the coppersmiths hammer all day’ (Epigrams 12.57). Grouping schoolteachers with other skilled labourers suggests that they were common features of everyday life in a town. Moreover, the graffiti in Pompeii, like modern graffiti in a public toilet, often represents not a one-off comment but a dialogue between two or more individuals, suggesting that it was, at least on some occasions, read by an audience (Slide 2). Harris counters these arguments by citing the poor quality of the graffiti, noting that quoting (or more often misquoting) Virgil’s Aeneid on a tavern wall does not make a man literate. His concept of literacy is in line with modern definitions – formal education and having the ability to read, speak and compose in a language. And indeed, if one accepts this definition of literacy, his arguments stand up well. \* [http://www.schools1.cic.ames.cam.ac.uk/pdfs/Literate%20or%20illiterate%20at%20Pompeii.pdf](http://www.schools1.cic.ames.cam.ac.uk/pdfs/Literate%20or%20illiterate%20at%20Pompeii.pdf) _How literate — or illiterate — were the people of Pompeii? It depends, of course, on the definition of literate. It has often been claimed that only certain groups of people — the rich, the elite, the religious hierarchy — were literate and the great mass of the population was unable to read or write. In fact, recent studies and new archaeological discoveries suggest that the situation was considerably more complicated. While it is certainly true that only a limited number could have read difficult literary or scientific texts, there is good evidence that basic literacy was much more common…This suggests that a fair percentage could read and write at least basic Latin. Many examples include quotes or literary references suggesting that, as in Shakespeare’s London, literary culture was shared up and down the social scale, probably through the theatre, rather than being the exclusive prerogative of a limited class."_ > **["Ancient Literacy in New Testament Research: Incorporating a Few More Lines...](https://www.academia.edu/13211795/_Ancient_Literacy_in_New_Testament_Research_Incorporating_a_Few_More_Lines_of_Enquiry_TrinJ_36_2015_161-189)** > > Initiated by William V. Harris in 1989, and followed by Catherine Hezser in 2001, the number of scholars operating within the framework of mass illiteracy during the time period of the New Testament is steadily increasing. While these two works are I\*dentifying—let alone gauging—the various levels of ancient literacy is notoriously difficult. There was undoubtedly a spectrum of literacy, and the simple categories of “literate” or “illiterate,” as well as the false dichotomy between “oral vs. written,” no longer suffice in academic circles. 1 At the same time, most modern NT scholars still start their literacy discussion by pointing to William V. Harris’s influential study of ancient Greco-Roman literacy levels…In sum, it seems likely that ancient literacy levels were at neither end of the spectrum. /I] Many were what we would today call “functionally illiterate” but still quite able to read graffiti and even reply to it. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/628 "2018-04-03T03:51:50Z")
From Bart Ehrman’s blog, behind a paywall: > [@Ehrman](#): > > Turning to hard historical evidence for ancient Israel, Bar-Ilan notes that the Talmud allows for towns where only one person could read in the synagogue (Soferim 11:2). Since all synagogues that have been discovered can accommodate more than 50 people, we are probably looking at literacy rates, in these places, at about 1%. When this figure is tied to the fact that the land of Israel was 70% rural, and only 10% was “highly” urban, one can take into account all the sundry factors and crunch the numbers: “it is no exaggeration to say that the total literacy rate in the Land of Israel… was probably less than 3%.” Most of this 3% would have comprised wealthy Jews living in the major cities. > > Hezser has devoted the only full length study to this question in her monograph Jewish Literacy in Roman Palestine. She agrees with Bar-Ilan on his statistical claims: total literacy in Palestine was probably around 3%; those who were literate were largely located in urban areas; some villages and towns had literacy rates of lower than 1%. In this connection Hezser makes the striking historical observation that “the only literary works which can with certainty be attributed to Palestinian Jews of the first century C.E. are the writings of Josephus and the no longer extant works of his opponent Justus of Tiberias” (both of whom “received a Greek education and were influenced by Graeco-Roman writing”). Moreover, Hezser argues that “writing seems to have mostly – and perhaps almost exclusively — been used by the political, economic, and religious-intellectual elites in late Roman Palestine.” Was the fisherman Simon-Peter in this august group? [https://ehrmanblog.org/who-could-read-and-write-a-blast-from-the-past/](https://ehrmanblog.org/who-could-read-and-write-a-blast-from-the-past/) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/629 "2018-04-03T04:43:36Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > From Bart Ehrman’s blog, behind a paywall: > [https://ehrmanblog.org/who-could-read-and-write-a-blast-from-the-past/](https://ehrmanblog.org/who-could-read-and-write-a-blast-from-the-past/) Very nice, So the Talmud had a rule which kicks in if there is only one person in a Ancient synagogue who could read. There are also rules for what happens if you cant get ten men for a Minyan. That doesnt mean that you can’t normally get ten men for prayer, not does it mean that every synagogue in Israel only had one man who could read. Incredibly bad scholarship. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/630 "2018-04-03T05:02:35Z")
Spoiler Alert: Jesus was NOT resurrected from the dead. It’s still interesting to explore the historic Jesus, however. > [@jayjay](#): > > Where do you get this? I’m a die-hard atheist (hell, I’m kind of an anti-theist) and I have no problem admitting that there was probably a man named Yeshua ben-Yosef who lived in the Roman province of Palestine around the first century BC(E). The question at hand is whether he was actually an aspect of the Abrahamic God and that has only religious doctrine to speak for it, which isn’t proof. Nitpick: Yeshua ben-Yosef might have been a rather common name, so asserting that a so-named man existed is like asserting that a Bob Jones exists. I believe there was a “Jesus of Nazareth, son of Mary, who was baptized by John the Baptist, noted in Galilee for healing and preaching, caused a scene at the Temple in Jerusalem, and was crucified by order of Pontius Pilate.” Not sure about the “ben-Yosef” part, however. IIRC, neither Mark nor Paul ever names Jesus’ father; some sources show “ben Pantera.” (Is it possible James the Just was Jesus’ _half_-brother?) > [@Biffster](#): > > Have you ever considered that if James were actually the brother of Jesus, that would mean that Mary was not “ever virgin.” Much of the magical lore in the Gospels is just-so mythology tacked on later. Note that the same writers busy adding Virginity to their based-on-fact fictions were also _busy expunging James and Jesus’ other siblings._ (James and Paul were “enemies.” As Paulists gained dominance in Roman Christianity, James and the historic Jesus in general, were expunged just as Stalin airbrushed his ex-friends from photos.) The historicity of Jesus’ brother James is rather strong, IIUC, and _provides some of the best proof that Jesus himself existed._ ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/631 "2018-04-03T05:25:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, yes, of course. All for Gospels recount the Life of Jesus. But John is NOT based upon the Synoptic Gospels. I don’t think that’s a great summary of the material you quoted below this sentence. Here’s a better graphical summary, IMHO. [![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DABsHHV2DLs/VIUJBz-aPbI/AAAAAAAACFk/NXYmhgpmu8A/s1600/Gospels-sources-bw-8.jpg) ](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DABsHHV2DLs/VIUJBz-aPbI/AAAAAAAACFk/NXYmhgpmu8A/s1600/Gospels-sources-bw-8.jpg) How’s this? “John is not a Synoptic Gospel, but is believed to have been influenced by Mark, along with other non-Synoptic sources.” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/632 "2018-04-03T05:46:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No one is saying that the existence of Smith proves the Book of Mormon. But desperately trying to affirm one’s Atheism by trying to prove that Smith never existed doesnt add anything to that side either. > [@dropzone](#): > > That’s not what **(Sam Stone, who you were replying to, is)** trying to do, and you know it. Being disingenuous does nothing to forward your argument. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Very nice, So the Talmud had a rule which kicks in if there is only one person in a Ancient synagogue who could read. There are also rules for what happens if you cant get ten men for a Minyan. > > That doesnt mean that you can’t normally get ten men for prayer, not does it mean that every synagogue in Israel only had one man who could read. Incredibly bad scholarship. You are doing it again. Nowhere in the section I quoted did Ehrman say that, nor would he say that. Most people are less blatant when constructing their strawmen, and I am beginning to question your [sincerity as a Christian.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_bear_false_witness_against_thy_neighbour) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/633 "2018-04-03T06:03:22Z")
Photos would have been a great asset back in the day. Or would they? [![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/f249942619850c3898b6e7ca06c2beef.jpg) ](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/f249942619850c3898b6e7ca06c2beef.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/634 "2018-04-03T11:54:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Not sure about the “ben-Yosef” part, however. Maybe “ben-Yahweh”? 😉 \*Really \*not sure about the virgin part. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/635 "2018-04-03T12:03:05Z")
More [like this](http://members.modernvespa.net/stickyfrog/uploads/tommsm_27135.jpg). He rode into Jerusalem on a rusty Dodge Dart full of raccoons. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/636 "2018-04-03T16:52:18Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > You are doing it again. Nowhere in the section I quoted did Ehrman say that, nor would he say that. Most people are less blatant when constructing their strawmen, and I am beginning to question your [sincerity as a Christian.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_bear_false_witness_against_thy_neighbour) Read what you quoted “Turning to hard historical evidence for ancient Israel, Bar-Ilan notes that the Talmud allows for towns where only one person could read in the synagogue (Soferim 11:2). Since all synagogues that have been discovered can accommodate more than 50 people, we are probably looking at literacy rates, in these places, at about 1%.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/637 "2018-04-03T16:59:16Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I don’t think that’s a great summary of the material you quoted below this sentence. > > Here’s a better graphical summary, IMHO. > [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DABsHHV2DLs/VIUJBz-aPbI/AAAAAAAACFk/NXYmhgpmu8A/s1600/Gospels-sources-bw-8.jpg](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DABsHHV2DLs/VIUJBz-aPbI/AAAAAAAACFk/NXYmhgpmu8A/s1600/Gospels-sources-bw-8.jpg) > > How’s this? “John is not a Synoptic Gospel, but is believed to have been influenced by Mark, along with other non-Synoptic sources.” There’s a dotted line there, which indicates a “Hypothetical or questionable relationship”. So, no- John is not _generally_ believed to be influenced by Mark, but it _is_ possible. But “influenced” is different that what was proposed. However, still this statement by \*\*Musicat \*\*is false and betrays ignorance of the New testament. \*\*Musicat \*\* \*"And often quite religiously biased. Example: Most of John’s work (or the person(s) who are now called “John”) appears to be an embellishment of earlier writers like Mark. If Mark didn’t provide enough detail to make the story complete, John supplied it, even though he wasn’t closer to the events than Mark. .\*" ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/638 "2018-04-03T17:47:58Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Read what you quoted “Turning to hard historical evidence for ancient Israel, Bar-Ilan notes that the Talmud allows for towns where only one person could read in the synagogue (Soferim 11:2). Since all synagogues that have been discovered can accommodate more than 50 people, we are probably looking at literacy rates, in these places, at about 1%.” Read what you attributed to Ehrman: > [@DrDeth](#): > > That doesnt mean that you can’t normally get ten men for prayer, not does it mean that every synagogue in Israel only had one man who could read. Incredibly bad scholarship. It would be incredibly bad scholarship IF EHRMAN HAD SAID THAT. That is why I accuse you of being disingenuous. History is like fundamentalism in that you are working with the words, not your interpretation. Anyway, forming a minyan in ancient Israel was a cinch since any guy thirteen and older was a man and bright six year olds could count in a pinch. But Israel, like the rest of the world, was largely oral, and all you “needed” was one guy in the ten or more in the room who could read Hebrew, the language of scripture and generally understood for that reason, but not necessarily Aramaic, the language in ordinary use, or Greek, the language of business and the Gospels. But there had been a lot of rote memorization of scripture, too. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/639 "2018-04-03T17:55:55Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Read what you attributed to Ehrman: > > It would be incredibly bad scholarship IF EHRMAN HAD SAID THAT. That is why I accuse you of being disingenuous. History is like fundamentalism in that you are working with the words, not your interpretation. > o. Which is what he said. “Turning to hard historical evidence for ancient Israel, Bar-Ilan notes that the Talmud allows for towns where only one person could read in the synagogue (Soferim 11:2). Since all synagogues that have been discovered can accommodate more than 50 people, we are probably looking at literacy rates, in these places, at about 1%.” In other words, 1.There were towns where only one person could read in the synagogue (true) 2. A synagogue holds about 50 people. (true) 3. Thereby the the literacy rate was only 1%.- (false conclusion) ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/640 "2018-04-05T00:03:22Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Photos would have been a great asset back in the day. Or would they? > > [https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/f249942619850c3898b6e7ca06c2beef.jpg](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/f249942619850c3898b6e7ca06c2beef.jpg) Barry Gibb? Stayin’ Alive. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129/641 "2018-04-05T20:06:58Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Barry Gibb? Stayin’ Alive. Pics…or it didn’t happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/811129.md?page=31)