# Proof: Pollsters and Media Big Liars for Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128 "2016-11-09T04:00:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einstein_was_a_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/1 "2016-11-09T04:00:36Z")
The election results are proving what a bullcrap bunch of liars we have in the mainstream media and the pollsters were indeed sampling 75% democrats all along. Eat my feces you progressive losers. The Silent Majority is speaking. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/2 "2016-11-09T04:05:07Z")
With a president that in reality looks just for himself. I have to remember that in California the Republicans won with a message of hate, and nowadays they are not very significant. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/3 "2016-11-09T04:21:38Z")
Don’t be mad he proved you wrong. America is finally going to take some steps forward. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/4 "2016-11-09T04:27:40Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > Don’t be mad he proved you wrong. America is finally going to take some steps forward. Right over a fucking cliff. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/5 "2016-11-09T04:29:23Z")
Here come the Deplorable gloatings. I can’t say what I want to to you folks. Consider it said on this side of the monitor. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/6 "2016-11-09T04:48:03Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > Don’t be mad he proved you wrong. America is finally going to take some steps forward. > [@jayjay](#): > > Here come the Deplorable gloatings. I can’t say what I want to to you folks. Consider it said on this side of the monitor. I have to say that the plan B is now here then, the problem for the deplorables is that making a mistake is still a mistake even if millions vote for it. What I foresee is that the other group that voted for trump just to keep power will not let Trump do a lot of what he promised. Speaking of going forward, the reality is that Trump is an ignoramus about vaccines, climate change, trade and taxes. There will be no progress but a self inflicted wound that Trump is bound to make it worse. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/7 "2016-11-09T04:49:59Z")
I don’t think there was any deliberate malice involved but it’s pretty clear that much of Blue America including the media elite has been living in a delusional bubble, growing increasingly out of touch with vast swathes of their country. The first step to recovery is to resist the temptation to denounce all Trump voters, try to understand their concerns and values and try to bring some of them back to the Democratic fold. Bill Clinton did this in the 90’s and someone will have to do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/8 "2016-11-09T04:50:46Z")
I’m thinking Pit ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/9 "2016-11-09T04:57:39Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > I don’t think there was any deliberate malice involved but it’s pretty clear that much of Blue America including the media elite has been living in a delusional bubble, growing increasingly out of touch with vast swathes of their country. The first step to recovery is to resist the temptation to denounce all Trump voters, try to understand their concerns and values and try to bring some of them back to the Democratic fold. Bill Clinton did this in the 90’s and someone will have to do it again. I think that the bubble has been popped. Next election will have to be run less on everybody who disagrees with me is racist or deplorable. ---
**Author:** ![Debillw3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Debillw3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debillw3)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/10 "2016-11-09T05:09:27Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > The election results are proving what a bullcrap bunch of liars we have in the mainstream media and the pollsters were indeed sampling 75% democrats all along. Is it? Or is it prove of what I’ve been telling people who have been throwing out accusations of biased polls, which is: > [@](#): > > The surest way to ensure a closer election (or even a victory) for the other side is to release a poll that your side is going to win. The voters on your side grow complacent, and, assuming it’s already in the bag, don’t even necessarily bother to vote, while the voters on the other side grow more incensed to prove you wrong. > > If you want to bias the election for your side, you release a poll that the other side is winning. Doing the opposite helps you lose, not win. And, lo and behold, most analysts are saying that Trump voters came out in larger numbers than predicted, while Hillary voters came out in lower numbers than predicted. But, sure, your conspiracy theory (which, again, disproves itself) is the more accurate one. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/11 "2016-11-09T05:56:02Z")
Why do you Trump voters hate America? ---
**Author:** ![Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einstein_was_a_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/12 "2016-11-09T06:19:36Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Here come the Deplorable gloatings. I can’t say what I want to to you folks. Consider it said on this side of the monitor. Please choke on my deplorability… ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/13 "2016-11-09T06:28:16Z")
If the media insists that only racists and sexists support Trump then people may be less liable to say they support Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einstein_was_a_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/14 "2016-11-09T06:28:38Z")
> [@Debillw3](#): > > Is it? Or is it prove of what I’ve been telling people who have been throwing out accusations of biased polls, which is: > > And, lo and behold, most analysts are saying that Trump voters came out in larger numbers than predicted, while Hillary voters came out in lower numbers than predicted. > > But, sure, your conspiracy theory (which, again, disproves itself) is the more accurate one. You say potato I say potato… ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/15 "2016-11-09T06:30:01Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > If the media insists that only racists and sexists support Trump then people may be less liable to say they support Trump. It’ll be like post-WWII France, when everyone suddenly declared they’d been with the Underground Movement. This time it’ll be no one really supported Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/16 "2016-11-09T06:31:59Z")
Best to hope for now (aside from a faint-chance Clinton win) is that Trump is an even bigger liar than we all knew he was and has no intention of even _trying_ to fulfill the promises he campaigned on. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/17 "2016-11-09T06:33:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Best to hope for now (aside from a faint-chance Clinton win) is that Trump is an even bigger liar than we all knew he was and has no intention of even _trying_ to fulfill the promises he campaigned on. Yes, it will be a time of unicorns and rainbows for everyone. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/18 "2016-11-09T06:42:53Z")
Sheer laziness might do it, actually. I’m not sure the expectations he’s built up are actually achievable in reality, especially given his skills, temperament, and advisors - not to mention the fact that his supporters are clearly impatient. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/19 "2016-11-09T06:45:41Z")
You can not say it’s time for the country to move forward when you are a conservative, since they by definition look backwards. You aren’t someone who normally posts here. You’re just here to troll. If there are good Trump supporters, none of you are them. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/20 "2016-11-09T06:45:58Z")
Impatient? I have listened toyou idiots saying it was impossible for a while. Looking at this election, I think it’s fair to see Trump can do way more then you guys believe. Most of you libs said he wouldn’t even win the primary. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128.md?page=2)