# Proof: Pollsters and Media Big Liars for Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128 "2016-11-09T04:00:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/41 "2016-11-09T07:54:53Z")
I am honestly not sure what’s going to happen now, and it’s oddly a source of hope for me, in that I think a lot of Trump voters are either going to be disappointed by what he actually does, or at least rethink some of their viewpoints when the cows come home. Yes, yes, I’m sure it’s being naive, but all along, I couldn’t shake the idea that we as a nation had to confront some of these attitudes and prejudices, and not just bury them under disapproval. Maybe this is the moment. I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einstein_was_a_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/42 "2016-11-09T07:55:35Z")
Let it all out, folks, it’ll be cathartic… …let your butthurt flow. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/43 "2016-11-09T08:05:03Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > Let it all out, folks, it’ll be cathartic… > > …let your butthurt flow. Shouldn’t you be ironing your white sheet??? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/44 "2016-11-09T08:05:06Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Sheer laziness might do it, actually. I’m not sure the expectations he’s built up are actually achievable in reality, especially given his skills, temperament, and advisors - not to mention the fact that his supporters are clearly impatient. Trump is not going to be able to do most of what he promised, and he is not going to be able to resolve the deep economic problems of the US lower and lower middle class that motivated them to send the Trump wild bull to the Washington DC china shop. Trump is a narcissist who likes to read every media mention of himself every day and has said he doesn’t even mind if it’s negative, as long as he is receiving attention. Right now he is on a high that you can’t even imagine. For the next four years his name is going to be mentioned to an extent even he probably didn’t dream of in his wildest fantasies, up until a few years ago . He will do everything he can conceivably do to maintain this high beyond four years. As others have pointed out, Trump has in the past espoused reasonable moderate political views and one might think that now he is in office he can tone it down. The problem is that moderate policies are not going to win him another term. “Never Trump” voters aren’t going to vote him back in even if he’s moderate in his first four years, and the “Make American Great Again” voters aren’t going to be happy if they perceive him as having changed nothing in his first four years. This is a bad situation. There are historically effective techniques that can be deployed in this scenario. Favourites are creation and destruction of an internal scapegoat, starting a war to create economic growth and a common enemy, enforcing a cult of personality, and increasingly tight control on dissent. Trump has no interest in governing well. His time and considerable energy and populist ability will be entirely devoted to promoting himself and getting re-elected by \*any \*means necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einstein_was_a_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/45 "2016-11-09T08:09:22Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Shouldn’t you be ironing your white sheet??? I’m black. Presume much? Let it flow…taste those grapes… ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/46 "2016-11-09T08:14:21Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > I’m black. Presume much? > > Let it flow…taste those grapes… Shouldn’t you be giving your sister a celebratory ass fucking instead of posting online, white boy? ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/47 "2016-11-09T08:15:33Z")
The “If you are not with me you are a misogynistic, fundamentalist Nazi” didn’t work out so well in winning public support, did it? Trump didn’t win as much as Clinton lost; it seemed impossible to have someone like Trump win but somehow her and her campaign pulled it off. It has to be an achievement of some sort. So… kudos, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/48 "2016-11-09T08:18:00Z")
Random polling is hard these days due to changes in technology. Cell phones, and smart phones makes it very difficult. Mix that in with the fact that people are likely to lie about their sexism, xenophobia and bigotry that poses a significant challenge. I think that the true pitting should be with the DNC for trusting suspect numbers and dropping their guard. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/49 "2016-11-09T08:21:35Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > The election results are proving what a bullcrap bunch of liars we have in the mainstream media and the pollsters were indeed sampling 75% democrats all along. > > Eat my feces you progressive losers. The Silent Majority is speaking. Whoa…whoa whoa…dont confuse progressives with liberals. Progressives want/do the right thing. The right thing is to let the media stand for itself not cozy up to it and influence it. ---
**Author:** ![Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einstein_was_a_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/50 "2016-11-09T08:29:51Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Shouldn’t you be giving your sister a celebratory ass fucking instead of posting online, white boy? Let your butthurt flow, my child…it’s alright. ---
**Author:** ![nicky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@nicky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nicky)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/51 "2016-11-09T08:51:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > What I foresee is that the other group that voted for trump just to keep power will not let Trump do a lot of what he promised. I hope youre right. But i remember an old meme: “Sure, shrub is a peabrain. But Cheney & Rumsfeld etc are wily realists who wont let him fuck up too kuch” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/52 "2016-11-09T09:11:56Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > There goes my health insurance and my retirement fund. The market futures are dropping like a stone. Bah. I’m not worrying. The world will be in flames and we’ll all be dead long before I’m due to retire. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/53 "2016-11-09T09:35:52Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > Let your butthurt flow, my child…it’s alright. I’d like to invite you to my Elections thread asking Trump supporters what they expect and want for the next four years. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/54 "2016-11-09T09:48:48Z")
From the [NY Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/business/media/media-trump-clinton.html): > [@](#): > > Politics is not just about numbers; data can’t always capture the human condition that is the blood of American politics. And it is not the sole function of political reporting to tell you who will win or who will lose. But that question — the horse race — has too often shadowed everything else, and inevitably colors other reporting, too. > [@](#): > > In an earlier column, I quoted the conservative writer Rod Dreher as saying that most journalists were blind to their own “bigotry against conservative religion, bigotry against rural folks, and bigotry against working class and poor white people.” ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/55 "2016-11-09T09:52:53Z")
The Final Forking. Feels good, man. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/56 "2016-11-09T11:06:49Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I am honestly not sure what’s going to happen now, and it’s oddly a source of hope for me, in that I think a lot of Trump voters are either going to be disappointed by what he actually does, or at least rethink some of their viewpoints when the cows come home. Yes, yes, I’m sure it’s being naive, but all along, I couldn’t shake the idea that we as a nation had to confront some of these attitudes and prejudices, and not just bury them under disapproval. Maybe this is the moment. I hope so. A voice of reason in the Pit. Thank you for that. You’re right: the divide can no longer be denied. I’m going to join you in being naive and a bit hopeful for the long haul. Otherwise I won’t be able to function at all. ---
**Author:** ![Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einstein_was_a_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128/57 "2016-11-09T19:33:56Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > The Final Forking. > > Feels good, man. Aye… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-pollsters-and-media-big-liars-for-hillary/771128.md?page=2)