# Proof that certain 3rd worlders are animals **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2004, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533 "2004-03-31T15:15:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/1 "2004-03-31T15:15:34Z")
Administrator please move if this is not the right forum. I am so outraged right now I may not be thinking clearly. I’m reading reports of corpses being desecrated by some Iraqi sub-humans. I call them sub-humans because anyone who desecrates bodies has lowered themselves beneath the human threshold. They obviously pervert and debase their own religion by committing such acts. I hold nothing but contempt for such scum; they raise my blood pressure so much that I want to see them nuked for such attrocities. But deep down I know nuking is extreme and cooler heads must prevail. Nevertheless, such outrages must be addressed. Am I wrong in assessing these “people” in this way? ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/2 "2004-03-31T15:23:14Z")
That is unfair. Animals don’t desecrate corpses. Considering that you barely consider nuclear weapons to destroy millions of innocent people “extreme,” I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of barbarism. I mean, there are Americans who desecrate corpses, as well. Doesn’t mean we should nuke New York. I’m not sure exactly what the debate is. Are you wrong for being prejudiced against millions of people by the acts of a few thousand? ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/3 "2004-03-31T15:23:40Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > I’m reading reports of corpses being desecrated by some Iraqi sub-humans. > I call them sub-humans because anyone who desecrates bodies has lowered themselves beneath the human threshold. While I’m not diminishing the severity of the corpse mutilation in any way, I find myself asking one simple question: You’re more upset about the corpse mutilation than the actual murders? Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Jojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecd19e/32.png) [@Jojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jojo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/4 "2004-03-31T15:23:58Z")
Almost certainly, since there is no such species as “sub-human” on the planet, and animals are different creatures to humans. But if you provided a link as to what you’re talking about then we could tell you for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/5 "2004-03-31T15:29:16Z")
He’s probably discussing [this](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&e=1&u=/nm/20040331/wl_nm/iraq_dc) incident. To the OP, I understand your anger, but a perusal of the newspaper any given day should be enough to assure you that people of any nationality are quite capable of acts imhumane. Unfortunately wars tend to bring those acts to the forefront even moreso. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/6 "2004-03-31T15:34:00Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > I’m reading reports of corpses being desecrated by some Iraqi sub-humans. > I call them sub-humans because anyone who desecrates bodies has lowered themselves beneath the human threshold. They obviously pervert and debase their own religion by committing such acts. So killing people is Ok as long as you respect the dead bodies? American forces in Iraq have killed thousands of innocent Iraqis. I think it is the killing people that is most bad. After they are dead they do not care much that you respect their bodies. > [@](#): > > Nevertheless, such outrages must be addressed. So what do you propose? This is so similar to Somalia. I really wonder if the entire footage I have seen will get much airtime in the USA and what effect it may have. It is horrific. Every attack I have seen on westerners is followed by crowds coming out of the woodwork to cheer and yet many Americans still seem to believe the notion that Iraqis welcomed the invasion with open arms and this is just a few bad apples. It seems no amount of evidence will change their minds. ---
**Author:** ![Dogface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@Dogface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogface)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/7 "2004-03-31T15:44:30Z")
I say the reasonable response would be to exterminate the entire city. Then we let it be known that every similar action would be met by similar results. Some people simply can only understand force. So let us speak their language. ---
**Author:** ![Dogface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@Dogface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogface)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/8 "2004-03-31T15:45:36Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > So what do you propose? Salted earth. We need to get Roman on their backsides. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/9 "2004-03-31T15:50:59Z")
I can’t believe some of you. Outrage at the murders goes without saying (therefore I didn’t). As to Americans descrating bodies here - are you talking about isolated psychopaths? We have 250 million people here and you might have a handful of instances of this. I have never heard of any American coming upon a death scene, and dragging the corpse around, let alone displaying it from a bridge. There’s no where near that many people living in Iraq, so I expect a proportionally smaller amount of such behavior. Look, obviously nuking is not an option, it’s just that I’m so pissed off that the idea crossed my mind. (I was similarly outraged by the crap in Somalia). It’s just that seeing a disproportionate amount of such horrid behaviour in that part of the world leads me to believe these people are defective in some way, hence sub-human. I probably did do “animals” a disservice by comparing these people to animals. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/10 "2004-03-31T15:53:33Z")
> [@Dogface](#): > > I say the reasonable response would be to exterminate the entire city. Then we let it be known that every similar action would be met by similar results. Some people simply can only understand force. So let us speak their language. So, your proposal if I understand it is to exterminate an entire city’s worth of innocents because of the actions of a few extremists in their midst? How, exactly, will this do anything but slake the American thirst for revenge. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/11 "2004-03-31T15:57:43Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > …It’s just that seeing a disproportionate amount of such horrid behaviour in that part of the world leads me to believe these people are defective in some way, hence sub-human… This notion, quite simply, is ludicrous. You seem to be proposing that there is an entire culture of people that is somehow defective and therefore, what, should be wiped out? This has been tried in the past, you know. Today we call it an atrocity. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/12 "2004-03-31T16:04:47Z")
While extreme, I believe Dogface’s idea is to give a warning that harboring those “extremists” is unacceptable and potentially lethal. Like the teacher who keeps an entire class after school when a guilty party won’t come forth and no one will expose the guilty party. This is again another flaw in people (all over the world). This misguided notion to protect a guilty party because they are somehow “one of your own”. If a member of a group I’m part of disgraces the group, I no longer want them to be part of the group. Unfortunately so many groups behave more like primitive tribes. I guess I’m hijacking my own thread here, so I’ll drop this line of thought for another day. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/13 "2004-03-31T16:05:45Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > As to Americans descrating bodies here - are you talking about isolated psychopaths? We have 250 million people here and you might have a handful of instances of this. I have never heard of any American coming upon a death scene, and dragging the corpse around, let alone displaying it from a bridge. I dunno, when was the last time someone invaded America? Does hanging bodies and leaving them to rot in public count? Does genocide and scalping against Native Americans count? > [@](#): > > Look, obviously nuking is not an option, it’s just that I’m so pissed off that the idea crossed my mind. And that doesn’t make you a worse person than them? > [@](#): > > It’s just that seeing a disproportionate amount of such horrid behaviour in that part of the world leads me to believe these people are defective in some way, hence sub-human. Many people consider Americans sub-human for our continued use of capital punishment and constant invasions and bombing of sovereign nations. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/14 "2004-03-31T16:06:37Z")
Maybe your thread belongs in the Pit, **BwanaBob**. At best. If **Dogface** thinks the “reasonable response would be to exterminate the entire city” presumably he would mutiliate a few corpses at the drop of a hat. If he was being reasonable, and the wind were southerly. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/15 "2004-03-31T16:07:11Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > Like the teacher who keeps an entire class after school when a guilty party won’t come forth and no one will expose the guilty party. Yea, I can see how a 5 minute punishment for throwing a paper airplane is the same as genocide. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/16 "2004-03-31T16:08:06Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > This notion, quite simply, is ludicrous. You seem to be proposing that there is an entire culture of people that is somehow defective and therefore, what, should be wiped out? This has been tried in the past, you know. Today we call it an atrocity. I already said nuking was an emotional response and not an option. So where did I say they should be wiped out? ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/17 "2004-03-31T16:10:46Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Yea, I can see how a 5 minute punishment for throwing a paper airplane is the same as genocide. Sometimes I hate these message boards because somehow analogies are misunderstood if the severities of the two scenarios are not identical. The concept here (since you did not understand it) is that you punish the group since you cannot isolate the one guilty party, with the expectation that the group will be outraged and give up the guilty party. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/18 "2004-03-31T16:11:38Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > I can’t believe some of you. Outrage at the murders goes without saying (therefore I didn’t). > > As to Americans descrating bodies here - are you talking about isolated psychopaths? We have 250 million people here and you might have a handful of instances of this. I have never heard of any American coming upon a death scene, and dragging the corpse around, let alone displaying it from a bridge. You’re aware that no (real) war is going on in America at present right? However if you want to take a look back you’ll find similar atrocities committed in the here during wars (the Civil War, and numerous incidents involving Native Americans springs to mind) and times of civil unrest (the civil rights movement as well as several other instances of horrific violence against black people, just to bring it a little closer to current times). My point was that civil behavior tends to go out the window during times of war/civil unrest. The fact that similar atrocities happen here without such extenuating circumstances merely underlines that point. **Dogface** , I wish I thought you were kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/19 "2004-03-31T16:12:32Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > The concept here (since you did not understand it) is that > you punish the group since you cannot isolate the one guilty party, with the expectation that the group will be outraged and give up the guilty party. How does killing a boatload of people make them give up the guilty parties? Is this not the same logic that terrorists use in their attacks on the US? ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/20 "2004-03-31T16:15:26Z")
I don’t like speaking for others but I believe Dogface’s idea is to punish one city with the “lesson” to other cities being “if you harbor extremists, you will share their fate, so expel/give them up”. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533.md?page=2)