# Proof that certain 3rd worlders are animals **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2004, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533 "2004-03-31T15:15:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/21 "2004-03-31T16:17:49Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > I don’t like speaking for others but I believe Dogface’s idea is to punish one city with the “lesson” to other cities being “if you harbor extremists, you will share their fate, so expel/give them up”. Do you work for Al Qaeda? I have a doctor’s appointment now, but it’ll be interesting to see how your “logic” plays out. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/22 "2004-03-31T16:17:51Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > I already said nuking was an emotional response and not an option. So where did I say they should be wiped out? OK, some of that I am simply inferring. As this thread is in Great Debates, I assume that you are not just wanting to vent (as you would in, say, The Pit). So, that being said, what you seem to be saying is that there is an entire culture that you consider to be defective or inferior. You also seem to be at least in principal agreeing with Dogface (who as far as I can tell is, in fact, advocating genocide or at least the slaughter of civilians). So, what am I missing? If this is to be a debate, what then do you suggest? I would say out of hand that the notion that this culture is somehow defective can be dismissed out of hand. They, like all cultures, are simply responding to their environment in a functional (as in it works for them) way. They will change once their way of doing things stops working. This is not to say that I want to delve too much in to Cultural Relativism, but the thing is that if you want people to stop doing something you first need to know why it is that they are doing it. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/23 "2004-03-31T16:19:21Z")
> [@Dogface](#): > > I say the reasonable response would be to exterminate the entire city. Then we let it be known that every similar action would be met by similar results. Some people simply can only understand force. So let us speak their language. Saddam? Have the let you out? ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/24 "2004-03-31T16:21:44Z")
> [@Dogface](#): > > I say the reasonable response would be to exterminate the entire city. Then we let it be known that every similar action would be met by similar results. Some people simply can only understand force. So let us speak their language. Terrorists. If you can’t beat the. . . join them. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Karmagun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Karmagun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karmagun)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/25 "2004-03-31T16:21:53Z")
Why sub-human, anyway? If anything, they’re letting loose the evil side of human nature. I would address them as an ignorant, violent, bloodthirsty, uneducated, misguided, angry, frustrated, manipulated mob. But talk about 'people from that part of the world are --\> insert derogatory term here \<-- ’ will never find me in agreement. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/26 "2004-03-31T16:21:55Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > I don’t like speaking for others but I believe Dogface’s idea is to punish one city with the “lesson” to other cities being “if you harbor extremists, you will share their fate, so expel/give them up”. Following this logic, a couple of questions: Can you find one instance in recorded human history where a action like this had any sort of a positive outcome? Using the school analogy, when you had a teacher do this to you (I am assuming that this is a pretty universal experience) did you find it fair and just at the time, or did you simply wind up resenting the teacher? ---
**Author:** ![sghoul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@sghoul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sghoul)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/27 "2004-03-31T16:23:00Z")
Just out of curiousity, what exactly is wrong with desecrating a body? It’s just meat right? Even if you are religious, in most religions, the soul is gone, the body is an empty husk. I am not advocating doing this. I simply want to know why people should spend time and money dealing with something, that, in the sceme of things is really nothing. ---
**Author:** ![HumptysHamhole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f0a364/32.png) [@HumptysHamhole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HumptysHamhole)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/28 "2004-03-31T16:26:43Z")
I won’t defend either the desecration of dead bodies or the idea of punishment for the purpose of example (revenge?). However an interesting idea popped up in that someone pointed to the actions of these extremists in Iraq as an example of how the Iraqis in general are angry with the U.S. for the war (a notion which polls show is not true). If these are extremists who did this act do they represent the opinion of the Iraqi people as a whole? If they aren’t extremists then are the Iraqi people as a whole a bunch of extremists? [Poll of Baghdad Citizens](http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030719-120149-1765r.htm) ---
**Author:** ![HumptysHamhole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f0a364/32.png) [@HumptysHamhole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HumptysHamhole)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/29 "2004-03-31T16:29:38Z")
The last sentence didn’t really make sense (always - review - post). It meant if the Iraqis who did this aren’t extremists then what does that say about the Iraqi people as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/30 "2004-03-31T16:31:12Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Following this logic, a couple of questions: > > Can you find one instance in recorded human history where a action like this had any sort of a positive outcome? > > Using the school analogy, when you had a teacher do this to you (I am assuming that this is a pretty universal experience) did you find it fair and just at the time, or did you simply wind up resenting the teacher? No answer to part 1 (I’m nowhere near to being a scholar of history). Part 2: I resented the prick that got us in trouble; and yes there were instances where I fingered the guilty party (in private of course). ---
**Author:** ![hlanelee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@hlanelee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hlanelee)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/31 "2004-03-31T16:36:39Z")
While I will admit that Iraq was not one of the choice places in the world to live, the country was not in a state of civil unrest until we bombed the shit out of them and went in and took over. If some country were big enough and audatious enough to bomb and invade my part of the world, unprovoked, I might be inclined to become an insurgent, also. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/32 "2004-03-31T16:43:38Z")
> [@hlanelee](#): > > While I will admit that Iraq was not one of the choice places in the world to live, the country was not in a state of civil unrest … Like a team of mules under one whip. Many totalitarian states have civil stability. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/33 "2004-03-31T16:44:55Z")
For the record, it is a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention for an occupying power to engage in collective punishment against a civilian population. [Cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention) ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/34 "2004-03-31T16:45:49Z")
**Moderator’s Note:** This thread definitely seems better suited for the BBQ Pit, so off it goes. ---
**Author:** ![HumptysHamhole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f0a364/32.png) [@HumptysHamhole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HumptysHamhole)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/35 "2004-03-31T16:58:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Iraq was not one of the choice places in the world to live That’s a bit of an understatement – tell that to families of the more than 300,000 people who wound up in a mass grave in the past 27 years. That is about 10 times the population of the city you live in right now hlanelee. Lets see, rape rooms, torture chambers, secret police, mass murder, the complete destruction of entire villages. Arkansas is not one of the choice places to live in the world – Saddam’s Iraq was hell. By the way to those who didn’t support the war – what was your principaled rationale? There seems to be some contradictions in this thread. If you believe that the type of response that Bwanabob suggests is wrong on human rights grounds then how do you defend allowing Saddam to remain in power on human rights grounds. If you opppose the war on geo-political grounds then shouldn’t you show opposition to BawanaBobs (and Dogface) on geo-political grounds? (it can easily be done by the way). I n other words if you are going to base your opinions on how the US should act in the world on human rights issues then I think you would have a hard time opposing the war in the first place. And if you argue for US policy based on political expediancy then you have no right to criticize BB’s proposal on human rights grounds. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/36 "2004-03-31T17:01:30Z")
Thanks **MEBuckner** , I was just need to get something off my chest but I didn’t wnt to start a pit thread on it. **Dogface** I believe you to be a morally bankrupt ass of the highest order. Crawl back under a rock insect. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/37 "2004-03-31T17:12:34Z")
> [@HumptysHamhole](#): > > …In other words if you are going to base your opinions on how the US should act in the world on human rights issues then I think you would have a hard time opposing the war in the first place. And if you argue for US policy based on political expediancy then you have no right to criticize BB’s proposal on human rights grounds. This has been and continues to be one of the stupidest, narrow-minded and all out foolish “dilemmas” in recent memory. How many times and in how many ways does it have to be pointed out that Human Rights were not the primary justification for this ill conceived miscarriage of a war? I am sick to fucking death of this question. Look, I was opposed to the war. However, If the powers that be had gone to the UN and said “look, here is a list of the top 10 Human Rights abusing regimes on the planet. As the most militarily powerful nation on earth, we feel that it is our duty to do something about this, and we want your help and blessing”. I would have 1100% supported it. Hell, I would liked to have signed up to help! Do us all a favor and drop this foolish fucking argument. You really seem to have swallowed the steaming piles of shit that our current administration has been shoveling whole. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/38 "2004-03-31T17:13:45Z")
> [@HumptysHamhole](#): > > In other words if you are going to base your opinions on how the US should act in the world on human rights issues then I think you would have a hard time opposing the war in the first place. And if you argue for US policy based on political expediancy then you have no right to criticize BB’s proposal on human rights grounds. This is a _really_ stupid argument. The fact is that Iraq was no worse than many other countries in the world and if you ask people like you why America does not invade them you get responses like “it’s none of our business” and “our government’s responsibility is to look out for American insterests”. But in the case of Iraq the rules change, or so it seems. So, Iraq has a bad regime and the USA is going to invade. . . for what? To make things worse and destabilize the region? Because that is what is actually happening, good intentions not withstanding. And who appointed America the world nanny? And anyone who advocates punishing innocent civilians for the deeds of others is, in fact, justifying terrorism as a valid means to achieve ends. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/39 "2004-03-31T17:16:08Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > I have never heard of any American coming upon a death scene, and dragging the corpse around, let alone displaying it from a bridge. Well, [you learn something new every day](http://www.normantranscript.com/story.php?story_id=8878&c=1) > [@](#): > > The body was discovered Sunday evening by about nine kids, ranging in age from 6 to 16. The body was found in a wooded area near a creek bottom filled with dense trees and underbrush, police said. > > … > > The kids apparently took the body down and dragged parts of it to two separate locations in the nearby Twisted Oak Apartment complex. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533/40 "2004-03-31T17:16:45Z")
> [@Dogface](#): > > I say the reasonable response would be to exterminate the entire city. Then we let it be known that every similar action would be met by similar results. Some people simply can only understand force. So let us speak their language. Proof that some Americans are idiots… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proof-that-certain-3rd-worlders-are-animals/237533.md?page=3)