Even lawyers?:eek:
That is the ultimate paradox!
Never heard of the website.
No. Government shitter cleaners are not productive. There is no voluntary exchange involved in government action. Therefore, there is no value created.
That being said, if all of the tax collectors and military personnel were made into shitter cleaners, there would be far less damage caused to our society.
I don’t know about you, but the exchanges I make with shitters are mostly voluntary.*
*Unless I’ve been eating Taco Bell.
You are so full of shit Porta Potty makes twice-weekly visits to your house.
That must be why he has such great respect for shitter cleaners!
Leave it to WillFarnaby to invent the “no true shitter cleaner” fallacy.
ETA: although upon reflection, it could be a “posioning the shithouse” fallacy. Either way, someone needs to address how much bullshit has accumulated in him.
I’ve been staring at this for a while, and while i recognize individual words, I’m not quite grasping the meaning.
Any help?
I think it’s a riff on the “TAXATION IS THEFT AT GUNPOINT!!!@” thing, but I’ll defer to the treadless Boomerphobe to unlace his turd-knot of a philosophy.
I think the idea is that since Will hasn’t personally agreed to and personally negotiated payment for everything that the government does, everything the government does is bad.
Basically every road should be a toll road, fire and police services should be by subscription, food safety should be handled by caveat emptor, and anyone who finds themselves temporarily in need of assistance should die in squalor. Effectively replacing a sometimes inefficient communal use of resources governed whose primary motivation is to win your approval, with a massively inefficient system where every action that of modern life that we now take for granted has to be paid for individually from people whose sole motivation is to extract as many resources from you as possible.
Ah. So troll.
Good to know.
I think of government like a wrapper. You can’t eat it, and it just ends up as trash you have to throw away, but you can’t have a Twinkie on the shelf for very long without it. I wouldn’t say the wrapper adds no value to the snack cake, it’s an important part of the process, even though it’s not itself food.
Will may gripe that he doesn’t need the wrapper to enjoy his Twinkie but that’s missing the point.
Actually, his eating too many unwrapped/unprotected Twinkies may explain a bit.
Value is created when an exchange takes place wherein each party trades something he values less for something he values more. Government is involuntary. This exchange doesn’t take place.
That’s a pretty narrow, fucked-up definition of value you have there WillFarnaby.
Then again by your own definition you have no value to this board so you got something right.
I’ll bite.
I value my money less than I value (not a complete list):
social safety nets for poor and at risk people
watchdog agencies (EPA, FDA, FCC etc) that have to answer the public, not private sector
nonprofit funded scientific and medical research
service entities that must serve everyone equally (police, fire, etc).
Not claiming the government is perfect at it, but it provides better service in these areas than a bunch of cobbled together, for profit, private sector entities likely would.
And yes, private entities exist that do these things too. Nice part is I don’t have to find them, vet them, and get money to them individually.
You presumably live in a country which is a participatory democracy. Taking part is voluntary. Oh, and if you spent even one day in a public school, you are, in fact, full of shit.
Yeah it’s this thing called economics.
Yes you have the option of voluntarily putting up money to pay for all of those things. You don’t and neither does anyone else who supports them. They can only be sold to the public if you promise to eat the rich in order to provide them.
Yes never heard that one. Guess what I drive on the roads too Einstein.
Taking part is voluntary. Being taxed, jailed or killed by the government is not.
You’re reply is incoherent, but as far I can tell, is a massive goal post move.
You claimed to value your money less than a list of things you haven’t traded your money for. This demonstrates that you are full of shit.
My taxes (which is money) pay for those services.
I traded money with the government for things I want more. That was your definition of value.
Ergo, government has value.