# Pros and cons of SSM as it pertains society **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 28, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675 "2012-07-28T14:28:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/41 "2012-08-01T20:05:07Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > The only obvious disruption has been in the state of spontaneous undergarment massing in those who oppose it. Many of those being holy. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/42 "2012-08-01T20:12:43Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I agree that disruptive new laws should be phased in Justice delayed is justice denied. And, if the reasons for the laws being disruptive cannot withstand scrutiny, is the disruptiveness itself a reason for denying justice? > [@boytyperanma](#): > > He has expressed this opinion a number of times. It’s not like people are reaching when we say **Magellen01** believes SSM would negatively influence society. > > Here are a few. So, we have “I can’t think of anything”, “I can’t think of anything” _again_, and “Oh, all right, because the meaning of ‘the front of the bus’ was diluted by letting the coloreds there too.” :shrug: QED. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/43 "2012-08-01T20:15:15Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I live in a state where SSM is legal. I see the ramifications to society everyday. > > There haven’t been any. In fairness if we go by the quote **boytyperanma** provided above, **magellan01** apparently worries about a gradual erosion of some societal cohesion over multiple generations. So by his thinking the damage he fears will not become obvious until long after all of us here are dead. Of course denying what _I_ would consider equality on the off chance that it might speculatively follow an uncorrected path to some uncertain societal ill generations from now, seems like a remarkably piss-poor argument from where I’m sitting. But shitty or not it does seem kind of unarguable the way he has framed it. Which again probably makes this thread another colossal waste of time if all most posters want to do is debate **magellan01** ’s particular POV. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/44 "2012-08-01T20:22:28Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I agree that disruptive new laws should be phased in, but is there any evidence that legalization of SSM is disruptive? It hasn’t appeared to be in the states which have legalized it. (Except for the rush to get married in the short time it was legal in California.) If the problem is with people not being to stand the idea, it is much less disruptive than civil rights laws were. I think it could be if it were made a federal law. That’s a reason not to have federal involvement in this for the time being. But since everyone takes the politically easy path of states rights on this one, I’m not seeing the disruption either. It may be a controversial change in some states, but any state that would make the switch wouldn’t end up with any serious disruption. I don’t really know who is against SSM except [del]old fogeys[/del] traditionalists and those who exploit them. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/45 "2012-08-03T18:42:30Z")
[quote=“Voyager, post:12, topic:629675”] Here you go: [LIST=1] [li]Some entries in dictionaries will have to be changed. The definition of marriage seems very important to some people.[/li][/QUOTE] Fun fact: the _Canadian Oxford Dictionary_ was amended shortly after the rulings in 2003. The language remains usable. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/46 "2012-08-03T18:43:56Z")
Well, yeah, in _Canada_. You people are probably just too cold to worry about it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/47 "2012-08-03T18:48:07Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Maybe she just hates rice. So, you’re saying his mom is some kind of ricist? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/48 "2012-08-03T19:11:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, you’re saying his mom is some kind of ricist? Could be worse…she could be a milletant ricist. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/49 "2012-08-03T19:59:01Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I think it could be if it were made a federal law. That’s a reason not to have federal involvement in this for the time being. But since everyone takes the politically easy path of states rights on this one, I’m not seeing the disruption either. It’s disruptive when people go from one state to another and are told they aren’t married. Disruptive both to them personally, and to everyone else when they have to go to court to get things that should be theirs automatically. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/50 "2012-08-03T20:02:05Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Could be worse…she could be a milletant ricist. You should repent of a pun that bad in sackcloth and ashes … say, during Lentiltide? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/51 "2012-08-03T20:02:07Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Could be worse…she could be a milletant ricist. A Calrose by any other name. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/52 "2012-08-03T20:36:32Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > You should repent of a pun that bad in sackcloth and ashes … say, during Lentiltide? Accusations of pun-ditry make me cereally sorghum! Rye, oh, rye must wheat be so corny?! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-ssm-as-it-pertains-society/629675/53 "2012-08-03T21:58:29Z")
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