# Protesters storm US embasy...in Cairo?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420 "2012-09-11T18:53:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/161 "2012-09-13T21:48:39Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > None of what you said has anything to do with the credibility of the blogger, or the idea that he could have received hundreds of death threats over his stunt. you mean other than common sense? You’re taking the word of a horses ass who went INTO a church and fucked with their religious rites. Now imagine if this happened in a Mosque in Egypt. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/162 "2012-09-13T21:50:32Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Finally, as an aside/bit of a gratuitous, gleeful jab : do people who \*do \*interrupt Broadway shows get death threats in the mail later ? Not that I don’t appreciate your implicitly equating the Catholic Mass with theatrical, profit-driven farce of course ! 😃 Well I think the Life of Brian made it to the theaters. so there yah go. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/163 "2012-09-13T21:58:23Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well I think the Life of Brian made it to the theaters. so there yah go. Heavily edited, yes. Plus it still got banned in a bunch of places, including places in the US. For the record, I am not drawing an equivalence here. Even if Myers did get hundreds of death threats, that’s not the same as rioting and/or killing. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/164 "2012-09-13T22:06:18Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > you mean other than common sense? You’re taking the word of a horses ass who went INTO a church and fucked with their religious rites. I am not just taking his word for it . Because he published the details of one mail, and I also have extensive historical data regarding how “militant” Christians react to such stunts - along with how militant sports fans react to the same, and how internet tough guys in general behave according to the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. So why exactly \*should \*I disbelieve him, especially when some of his claims have been substantiated ? Do tell. Do tell me No True Christian would send death threats, I \*love \*that part ! > [@](#): > > Now imagine if this happened in a Mosque in Egypt. And that has a thing to do with what ? What are you saying ? “If they’re worse, we can act as bad as we want to” ? “We get to act in horrible ways as long as we don’t exceed specific thresholds that would put us in a bad light when compared to the competition” ? Besides, imagine if this happened in a Church in Angola, where they pour acid down the throats of 9 year old kids the pastor says are witches or possessed. See ? I can play the “point at those other unrelated people hailing from thoroughly different contexts” game too ! What do I win ? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/165 "2012-09-13T22:09:52Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well I think the Life of Brian made it to the theaters. so there yah go. And ? Did people interrupting or disrupting its performances receive death threats from Pythons fans ? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/166 "2012-09-13T22:25:42Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I am not just taking his word for it . Because he published the details of one mail, and I also have extensive historical data regarding how “militant” Christians react to such stunts - along with how militant sports fans react to the same, and how internet tough guys in general behave according to the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. > > So why exactly \*should \*I disbelieve him, especially when some of his claims have been substantiated ? Do tell. Do tell me No True Christian would send death threats, I \*love \*that part ! why, because you should have lived in and known Catholics in the US and you should also know better than to accept the word of an attention seeking jackass. And no, I wouldn’t put it past anyone to send a death threat about anything. > [@Kobal2](#): > > And that has a thing to do with what ? What are you saying ? “If they’re worse, we can act as bad as we want to” ? “We get to act in horrible ways as long as we don’t exceed specific thresholds that would put us in a bad light when compared to the competition” ? > > Besides, imagine if this happened in a Church in Angola, where they pour acid down the throats of 9 year old kids the pastor says are witches or possessed. See ? I can play the “point at those other unrelated people hailing from thoroughly different contexts” game too ! What do I win ? you win perspective. This was a “movie” made in the US. I say “movie” in quotations because it was not something seen in theaters. It was surfed out of the internet in another country. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/167 "2012-09-13T22:27:27Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > …Now imagine if this happened in a Mosque in Egypt. Would you happen to know what they hand out to eat there? I love ME food and it might be worth checking it out. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/168 "2012-09-13T22:33:40Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > …This was a “movie” made in the US. I say “movie” in quotations because it was not something seen in theaters. It was surfed out of the internet in another country. It was a total flop, but it did open in LA: [In a run-down theater on a seedy stretch of Hollywood Boulevard this summer, an independent movie made its debut. The acting was amateurish, the dialogue clunky and the costumes no better than those sold for Halloween. Even with a pretty young woman beckoning pedestrians inside, fewer than 10 people attended.](http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-filmmaker-20120913,0,3754075.story) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/169 "2012-09-13T22:41:29Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > It was a total flop, but it did open in LA: > > [In a run-down theater on a seedy stretch of Hollywood Boulevard this summer, an independent movie made its debut. The acting was amateurish, the dialogue clunky and the costumes no better than those sold for Halloween. Even with a pretty young woman beckoning pedestrians inside, fewer than 10 people attended.](http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-filmmaker-20120913,0,3754075.story) I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/170 "2012-09-13T22:55:02Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > why, because you should have lived in and known Catholics in the US and you should also know better than to accept the word of an attention seeking jackass. And no, I wouldn’t put it past anyone to send a death threat about anything. And yet you put it past US Catholics to send email death threats to an attention seeking jackass deliberately trolling them. There are ~310 million Americans out there. 90% identify as Christians - why would you assume only Catholics would react to an atheist mocking Christianity ? The Enemy has a certain unifying power about him. But regardless, out of the graciousness of my heart, I’ll spot you the Protestants - all of them. Mormons too. That still leaves ~70 million genuflectin’ fools. And out of that \*\*enormous \*\*pool, a mere hundred anonymous angry responses on the Internet, you simply cannot believe ? Over something that made the rounds on every god botherer message board out there ? And that’s just assuming we’re only talking \*US \*Christians - as far as I’m aware, nothing of the sort has been asserted. The 'net sees no borders, and neither does its hate mail. So yeah, I’m highly doubtful of your _a priori_ gut feelings and anecdotally supported assertions and assurances that the blogger must be lying. Is it so impossibly difficult for you to comprehend even the possibility that there are absolute tossers on your self-identified side of the aisle ? Many of them ? After over 20 years of Internet existence, and 20 years of steady despair at just how ignorant, misinformed, mindlessly aggressive and cowardly people of every stripes, nationalities, religions, political leanings and furry fandoms really are ? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/171 "2012-09-13T23:44:11Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > And yet you put it past US Catholics to send email death threats to an attention seeking jackass deliberately trolling them. > There are ~310 million Americans out there. 90% identify as Christians - why would you assume only Catholics would react to an atheist mocking Christianity ? The Enemy has a certain unifying power about him. But regardless, out of the graciousness of my heart, I’ll spot you the Protestants - all of them. Mormons too. That still leaves ~70 million genuflectin’ fools. And out of that \*\*enormous \*\*pool, a mere hundred anonymous angry responses on the Internet, you simply cannot believe ? Over something that made the rounds on every god botherer message board out there ? > And that’s just assuming we’re only talking \*US \*Christians - as far as I’m aware, nothing of the sort has been asserted. The 'net sees no borders, and neither does its hate mail. > > So yeah, I’m highly doubtful of your _a priori_ gut feelings and anecdotally supported assertions and assurances that the blogger must be lying. > Is it so impossibly difficult for you to comprehend even the possibility that there are absolute tossers on your self-identified side of the aisle ? Many of them ? After over 20 years of Internet existence, and 20 years of steady despair at just how ignorant, misinformed, mindlessly aggressive and cowardly people of every stripes, nationalities, religions, political leanings and furry fandoms really are ? You forget that Christianity is mocked on a regular basis in the United States. Nobody cares. One hate mail does not a hundred make. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/172 "2012-09-14T00:31:37Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Not doubting you but would you happen to have a cite for that? I ask because I’ve been trying to distinguish the incidents in Benghazi & possibly Yemen as well, from what is happening in Cairo. And what you’re reporting falls right in line with my train of thought. > > BTW, as bad as Libya could get, I think the potential downside of a fallout with Egypt is humongous. > > ETA: if that’s the case, the original Embassy tweet also makes perfect sense. Here you go. [http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0912/US-Ambassador-murdered-as-extremists-on-all-sides-win-again/(page)/2](http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0912/US-Ambassador-murdered-as-extremists-on-all-sides-win-again/(page)/2) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/173 "2012-09-14T01:04:11Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You forget that Christianity is mocked on a regular basis in the United States. Nobody cares. One hate mail does not a hundred make. Once more with feeling: \*nobody \*said all of the hate mail was from the US. The internet is kind of everywhere, you see. Also the Catholic Church :). And people certainly do care when Christianity is blasphemed against, even in the US (\*especially \*in the US). If you don’t see it, you don’t just have rose-tinted glasses, you wear a rose-tinted blindfold. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/174 "2012-09-14T02:45:20Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Once more with feeling: \*nobody \*said all of the hate mail was from the US. Again, with as much feeling, it doesn’t matter. You don’t see the reaction claimed for all the other examples of blasphemy against Christianity. It’s not there. So either you have the evidence for the hundreds of threats claimed or you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/175 "2012-09-14T05:38:52Z")
How much has regular life been disrupted in places like Egypt and Yemen? What if some kook released a movie like this, say, every other week. Would that eventually desensitise the crazies? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/176 "2012-09-14T06:06:48Z")
[![](https://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/asahlin2/Libya.jpg) ](https://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/asahlin2/Libya.jpg) [http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/#.UFK4wDSfO9Y.facebook](http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/#.UFK4wDSfO9Y.facebook) I’ll just post this here and quietly back away… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/177 "2012-09-14T10:18:12Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > It was a total flop, but it did open in LA: > > [In a run-down theater on a seedy stretch of Hollywood Boulevard this summer, an independent movie made its debut. The acting was amateurish, the dialogue clunky and the costumes no better than those sold for Halloween. Even with a pretty young woman beckoning pedestrians inside, fewer than 10 people attended.](http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-filmmaker-20120913,0,3754075.story) And yet it _still_ did better than Sarah Palin’s movie. Bazinga. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/178 "2012-09-14T13:36:49Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > [http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/asahlin2/Libya.jpg](http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/asahlin2/Libya.jpg) > > ['This Does Not Represent Us': Moving Photos of Pro-American Rallies in Libya - The Atlantic](http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/#.UFK4wDSfO9Y.facebook) > > I’ll just post this here and quietly back away… Wow. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/179 "2012-09-14T16:07:00Z")
Yeah, the Libyans seem to feel genuinely bad that some of their bad apples did this. And of all the political leaders in the region, I think that the stance taken by Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur and the Libyan government seems the most rational and helpful. I saw something about the German embassy in (IIRC) the Sudan being attacked as well. I have to say that I find this all pretty mystifying…I mean, I don’t think that this ridiculous YouTube ‘movie’ was even translated INTO German, so another WTF momemnt IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420/180 "2012-09-14T18:11:57Z")
It’s spreading like a wildfire: [**U.S. Embassy in Tunis Engulfed in Black Smoke as Protests Rage Across Muslim World**](http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-braces-protests-egypt-yemen-rest-muslim-world/story?id=17233280#.UFNttP-caDk) * * * Meanwhile the authorship and funding of what, IMO, The Daily Kos correctly calls an “agit-prop” hit piece, continues to unravel and grow even more sinister if you believe the following conjecture: [**Nakoula just a fall guy. Keyman: Joseph Nassralla**](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/13/1131422/-Nakoula-just-a-fall-guy-Keyman-Joseph-Nassralla) > [@](#): > > **I think it is not beyond speculation to think that the NYC-based English speaking anti-Islamic clique of Geller, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes commissioned the “Desert Warrior” project. The movie was made in English (and likely for an American audience) and the overdubbing to Arabic appears to be a second thought.** If true, we’re getting into well-known name territory (Daniel Pipes) which can’t possibly be good. PS-TY **Ibn** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/protesters-storm-us-embasy-in-cairo/634420.md?page=10)