# pseudotriton ruber ruber: ignorant and intellectually dishonest is no way to go through life **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pseudotriton-ruber-ruber-ignorant-and-intellectually-dishonest-is-no-way-to-go-through-life/594768 "2011-08-31T17:31:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 27
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pseudotriton-ruber-ruber-ignorant-and-intellectually-dishonest-is-no-way-to-go-through-life/594768/27 "2011-09-01T20:33:56Z")
What the hey - this is the latest from the original thread: > [@Jesus Christ as your fantasy dinner guest](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-christ-as-your-fantasy-dinner-guest/593476/158): > > This amounts to an admission that you can’t describe Jesus in a way that is 100% accurate and specific enough to limit it to him and him alone. You’re right! So?? I mean, JC, assuming he lived, lived 2000 years ago, and the earliest accounts of his life were written ~40 years after his death. OF COURSE they’re going to be 100% accurate! > [@](#): > > You could describe your wife that way (and you wouldn’t get her eye color wrong) so why would I allow a do-over, or a certain number of errors, in describing Jesus or Odysseus or Arthur? Because, you know, they lived thousands of years ago, assuming they lived, and the people who wrote about them were writing a good while later. No matter how real the subjects, to expect 100% accuracy from the Evangelists, or Homer, or Malory, or whoever, is absurd. > [@](#): > > I find it comical that you’re not willing to try, even to try to come up with a provisional definition in which I can’t easily find some historical, factual or logical errors. Oh, if it’s YOU who has to come up with those errors, I’m good, no problem. I can come up with a very exact description that YOU can’t disprove. I thought we were talking about the powerful, time-traveling, all-knowing entity who would judge the factual accuracy of my list. But if we’re only talking about you, I could pretend this muffin was Jesus, and you’d be SOL. > [@](#): > > I’m starting to think that Christians don’t actually believe in Jesus’s existence at all, and that they’re really into it for social reasons, family pressures, desires to conform, or to feel superior to non-Christians. And I’m starting to think you’re a waste of carbon. > [@](#): > > It sure doesn’t sound like there’s very much about Jesus himself you’re certain about. As a Christian, I’m certain that he’s God. As a rational person, I quite realize that while may well have said, for instance, that he who humbles himself will be exalted and he who exalts himself will be humbled, there’s always a decent chance that he may not have said that particular thing. But as long as the essence of the Gospel story is right, that’s what matters, rather than whether I can pick out six or seven facts that identify Jesus and only Jesus, that all happened. I mean, who are you to say what should determine, for me, whether my belief in Jesus is on a sound footing? I have my reasons for believing; you have your reasons for not believing. Oddly enough, they’re not the same, and we’re not even using the same standards. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pseudotriton-ruber-ruber-ignorant-and-intellectually-dishonest-is-no-way-to-go-through-life/594768)._