# Public Lands, National Monuments, Antiquities Act, and States' Rights **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 26, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316 "2017-04-26T19:16:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316/121 "2017-12-06T14:29:00Z")
[I’m not going to ‘let evil win’: Patagonia’s billionaire owner says he plans to sue Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/12/05/im-not-going-to-let-evil-win-patagonias-billionaire-owner-says-he-plans-to-sue-trump/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories-2_patagonia-830pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e25aaabd9509) > [@](#): > > Outdoor goods retailers Patagonia, REI and the North Face are firing back against President Trump’s executive order this week that would drastically reduce the size of two national monuments in Utah. > > “The president stole your land,” reads an overlay on Patagonia’s website posted Monday afternoon. “This is the largest elimination of protected land in American history.” > > \ > > Yvon Chouinard, who founded Patagonia in 1973, . . .told CNN. “It’s a shame that only 4 percent of American lands are national parks. We need more, not less. This government is evil and I’m not going to sit back and let evil win.” (cue music from West Side Story) _RUMBLE!!_ ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316/122 "2017-12-06T15:04:20Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > [I’m not going to ‘let evil win’: Patagonia’s billionaire owner says he plans to sue Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/12/05/im-not-going-to-let-evil-win-patagonias-billionaire-owner-says-he-plans-to-sue-trump/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories-2_patagonia-830pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e25aaabd9509) > > (cue music from West Side Story) _RUMBLE!!_ IIRC, it was Patagonia that was leading the charge to move the Outdoor Retailer Association’s convention out of Utah. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![ThisOneGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@ThisOneGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisOneGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316/123 "2017-12-08T14:24:18Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Who was there first/who decided the name? Hopi/Zuni have an equal claim on being “first”, both being of the Pueblo cultural group that has lived in the area since at least 8000 years ago. We don’t know which prehistoric pueblo groups became which historic ones, the thirteenth century being a big break point that really shook things up. The different kiva types in Butler Wash Ruin show that it was mixed at least a little even back then. The Hopi and Zuni languages aren’t even in the same family, so I doubt the names would be anything alike. Ute/Navajo have an roughly equal claim to living in the area in historic times, with the Navajo only being forced south of the San Juan in the 1930s and part of Comb Wash being Ute tribal land right up until Obama’s proclamation. Not sure what the current status of that bit is. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316/124 "2017-12-08T15:07:15Z")
Anyone know if any other country on earth has ever decided to reverse the protection on nationally protected sites? I’m having a hard time imagining ANY other country doing so. Even more so that it would actually be celebrated. (I guess I \*could \*imagine it in Russia, where no one even tells the serfs about it, and any that object get gulag ed.) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316/125 "2017-12-08T15:08:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Now, let the strip mining begin! JOBS! But Americans won’t do that work. We need more immigrants! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316/126 "2017-12-09T01:33:38Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Anyone know if any other country on earth has ever decided to reverse the protection on nationally protected sites? > > I’m having a hard time imagining ANY other country doing so. Even more so that it would actually be celebrated. > > (I guess I \*could \*imagine it in Russia, where no one even tells the serfs about it, and any that object get gulag ed.) I don’t know about other countries, but this is not the first time America has reduced the size of a national monument. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316/127 "2017-12-10T08:34:56Z")
> [@ThisOneGuy](#): > > I thought the monument was too large, but I’m not totally happy with it either. Parts I think need the extra protection include most of Cedar Mesa and Grand Gulch. Most of the former and all of the latter ended up outside. > > Also wonder how the other four tribes feel about giving that part a Navajo name. Cedar Mesa and Tank Mesa are the parts that the Oil/Gas industry wants leases on, and after I saw what happens in my home town I wouldn’t wish that on any federal ground. Hopefully the tar sands never become economically viable in that area of the world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-lands-national-monuments-antiquities-act-and-states-rights/785316.md?page=6)