# Public Speaking (controversial) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2013, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616 "2013-07-16T00:20:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/121 "2013-07-17T12:19:06Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Hell Heil. /spelling nazi. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/122 "2013-07-17T13:23:10Z")
**rEVOLutionary** , I’m not buying your denials. Upthread, you quoted a piece of crap speech from Hitler about the Reich and the unification of the German people. Then you said: > [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > I can’t see how anyone could take that the wrong way. Possibly the greatest speech he’s ever given, in my opinion. And, you also say this: > [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > Well, I chose Hitler because, while MLK was a great speaker, Hitler was light-years ahead of him. I mean, his speeches are actually pretty inspirational. Before he went bat-shit crazy and started committing genocide, his speeches actually had positive messages behind them. I think he was driven more by love of his people rather than contempt for the Zionists, contrary to popular belief. But that’s really irrelevant, since he killed innocent people. You can’t see how there’s anything wrong with Hitler talking about the unification of the German people under the Nazi Reich; you find his speeches inspirational; and and you argue he was driven by love of country, not anti-semitism. Those are three of the classic lines of bushwa advanced by neo-nazis who are trying to “rehabilitate” poor, misunderstood Adolf. And when I hear someone advancing those lines of arguments, I draw a certain conclusion about the speaker. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/123 "2013-07-17T13:31:50Z")
I wonder about **rEVOLutionary** ’s use of the phrase “contempt for the Zionists”; why does he say Zionists and not just Jews or Jewish people? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/124 "2013-07-17T13:37:27Z")
Forgot to add: the comment from **rEVOLutionary** , “before he went bat-shit crazy” is also a common statement from neo-Nazi apologists: “Hitler was okay originally, but then he lost his way/somebody got to him/drugs caught up to him/power corrupted him, etc.” More bushwa - read _Mein Kampf_ and it was all there right from the beginning. It just took him time to get to the position to implement it. ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/125 "2013-07-17T13:48:54Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > **rEVOLutionary** , I’m not buying your denials. > > Upthread, you quoted a piece of crap speech from Hitler about the Reich and the unification of the German people. > > Then you said: > > And, you also say this: > > You can’t see how there’s anything wrong with Hitler talking about the unification of the German people under the Nazi Reich; you find his speeches inspirational; and and you argue he was driven by love of country, not anti-semitism. > > Those are three of the classic lines of bushwa advanced by neo-nazis who are trying to “rehabilitate” poor, misunderstood Adolf. And when I hear someone advancing those lines of arguments, I draw a certain conclusion about the speaker. That’s fine if you think that, but you’re wrong. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I wonder about **rEVOLutionary** ’s use of the phrase “contempt for the Zionists”; why does he say Zionists and not just Jews or Jewish people? Because Zionists are the most anti-Semite people there are. I don’t hate Jews specifically, I hate all religions equally. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/126 "2013-07-17T13:51:30Z")
Well, I hope that you understand that your role model had a _particular_ hatred for all Jews, not just the Zionists. ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/127 "2013-07-17T14:00:52Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Well, I hope that you understand that your role model had a _particular_ hatred for all Jews, not just the Zionists. 1. He’s not my role model. 2. He did. I don’t. I hate all religions equally. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/128 "2013-07-17T14:09:05Z")
From Merriam-Webster’s: > [@](#): > > [role model](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/role%20model) > noun > Definition of ROLE MODEL > : a person whose behavior in a particular role is imitated by others You’ve said that you want to model your oratory on his. How is he _not_ your role model? ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/129 "2013-07-17T14:13:20Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > From Merriam-Webster’s: > > You’ve said that you want to model your oratory on his. How is he _not_ your role model? You were implying that I wanted to emulate Hitler as a person. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/130 "2013-07-17T14:14:33Z")
I implied no such thing. I just said that he’s your role model. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/131 "2013-07-17T14:17:16Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > I hate all religions equally. How do you feel about Jewish atheists? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/132 "2013-07-17T14:27:06Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > Because Zionists are the most anti-Semite people there are. Zionists are anti-Semites? This is getting weirder with every post. ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/133 "2013-07-17T14:38:11Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > How do you feel about Jewish atheists? What is that even supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/134 "2013-07-17T15:11:45Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > Because Zionists are the most anti-Semite people there are. I don’t hate Jews specifically, I hate all religions equally. There’s something so wrong about this quote. Anyone else want to take a crack at it? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/135 "2013-07-17T15:15:58Z")
Crawl back under your rock, Nazi. Nobody here is buying your bullshit. You keep trying to deny it, but every time you open your keyboard, more and more proof spews out. You are contemptable, your ideas are contemptuous, and every time you try to espouse them around here we are going to call you on them. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/136 "2013-07-17T15:31:27Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Crawl back under your rock, Nazi. Nobody here is buying your bullshit. +1. There are forums out there where you would be welcome. Go spew to them. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/137 "2013-07-17T15:36:27Z")
I think this would go better in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/138 "2013-07-17T15:37:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Crawl back under your rock, Nazi. Nobody here is buying your bullshit. > > You keep trying to deny it, but every time you open your keyboard, more and more proof spews out. You are contemptable, your ideas are contemptuous, and every time you try to espouse them around here we are going to call you on them. That’s cool man, your opinion really doesn’t bother me. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/139 "2013-07-17T15:39:36Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think this would go better in the Pit. When I saw you were the latest poster I came in here expecting a warning. You have chosen… wisely. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/140 "2013-07-17T15:40:20Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > There’s something so wrong about this quote. Anyone else want to take a crack at it? Not really. But he’s probably saying either that Zionism condescends to Jews or pulling that ‘Jews and Arabs are both Semites!’ thing, which is about as clever as “why do we park in a driveway and drive on a parkway?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616.md?page=8)