# Public Speaking (controversial) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2013, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616 "2013-07-16T00:20:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/141 "2013-07-17T15:40:30Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > That’s cool man, your opinion really doesn’t bother me. If I may give you a heads up, even the moderation here is not swallowing your say so. Your thread is now in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/142 "2013-07-17T15:44:18Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think this would go better in the Pit. You know who else threw people into a pit? That Sparta guy from _300_. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/143 "2013-07-17T15:54:43Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > That’s cool man, your opinion really doesn’t bother me. Of course not. When you’re trolling for attention opinions mean nothing. ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/144 "2013-07-17T16:16:35Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > When I saw you were the latest poster I came in here expecting a warning. > > You have chosen… wisely. A warning for what? Having a differing opinion from others? Not once have I said anything hateful, or anything that has broken any rules. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/145 "2013-07-17T16:19:37Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > A warning for what? Having a differing opinion from others? > > Not once have I said anything hateful, or anything that has broken any rules. But you’re fucking Nazi loving scum. There’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/146 "2013-07-17T16:20:06Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > A warning for what? Having a differing opinion from others? He was probably expecting that one of the posters who called you a Nazi or questioned your intelligence would get a warning. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/147 "2013-07-17T16:21:12Z")
No, but now that the thread is in The Pit I can call you a fucking contemptable waste of genetic material with all the brains of a fruit fly and the moral habits of a football player and tell you to crawl but under your bridge like the Nazi troll that you are, openly state that you mother felches water buffalo and that your penis would embarass a toothpick and not get moderated for it. Yea, Mods! ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/148 "2013-07-17T16:22:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > ‘Jews and Arabs are both Semites!’ thing I’ve literally never heard anyone say that. That is definitely not the reason. I think, instead of explaining why I believe Zionism is the most anti-Semitic position there is, I’ll let Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, explain it: “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.” On what Zionism would offer the world: “The final solution of the Jewish question.” To solve the “Jewish question”: “We must, above all, make it an international political issue.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/149 "2013-07-17T16:24:54Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > And when I say I want to be good at speeches, I want to become good at IMPROVISED speeches. NO notes, NO slides, NOT a class presentation. Actual improvised speaking. I’m just not sure what to do. I have the conviction, and I know which words to emphasize for emotion, but my voice isn’t really too great. It’s not inspirational. To be good at improvised speeches, it’s not enough to be good at speaking; you have to be good at thinking. On your feet, and fast. ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/150 "2013-07-17T16:25:41Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > But you’re fucking Nazi loving scum. There’s that. I don’t think that I mentioned anything having to do with the Nazi party or their policies in this entire thread. And, yes, Nazis are anarcho-capitalistic anti-theists, who hate religion because they are inherently racist :rolleyes: > [@silenus](#): > > No, but now that the thread is in The Pit I can call you a fucking contemptable waste of genetic material with all the brains of a fruit fly and the moral habits of a football player and tell you to crawl but under your bridge like the Nazi troll that you are, openly state that you mother felches water buffalo and that your penis would embarass a toothpick and not get moderated for it. > > Yea, Mods! Okay? Still doesn’t bother me. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/151 "2013-07-17T16:27:26Z")
So, **OP** , the thing you’re saving for is some sorta Nazi memorabilia, correct?? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/152 "2013-07-17T16:28:14Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > What is that even supposed to mean? It means that Judaism isn’t just a religion. It’s also a culture and an ethnicity. My temple is full of atheist Jews. Are you okay with them? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/153 "2013-07-17T16:29:55Z")
Oh boy, we’re having a bumper crop of trolls this year! /claps excitedly ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/154 "2013-07-17T16:31:35Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > I’ve literally never heard anyone say that. Consider yourself lucky. It’s really stupid. > [@](#): > > I think, instead of explaining why I believe Zionism is the most anti-Semitic position there is, I’ll let Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, explain it: You failed. Out-of-context quotes don’t explain much, really. On the off chance you really want advice and are not just being an asshole, I’ll say that your insistence on using Hitler as a paragon of public speaking does imply some fucked-up things about you as a person. Your quasi-defenses of him and his speeches are worse. Maybe learn a little something about the guy or about history instead of admiring him for getting what he wanted. Rapists and serial killers often get what they want, but if someone told me he admired a rapist or a serial killer for getting what he wanted - ‘but not the rape part!’ - I’d think he was fucked up or crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/155 "2013-07-17T16:34:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Rapists and serial killers often get what they want, but if someone told me he admired a rapist or a serial killer for getting what he wanted - ‘but not the rape part!’ - I’d think he was fucked up or crazy. That’s because you’re not open-minded like the OP. When you think of Hitler, all you think about is death camps and murder. The OP is evolved enough to look past that, to what’s really important: the speechifying that helped make all that possible. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/156 "2013-07-17T16:38:41Z")
> [@rEVOLutionary](#): > > While I obviously understand that he was a horrible man who committed countless atrocities that could never be cast in a good light, I can’t help but inspired by Hitler’s amazing oratory skills. He was just amazing at persuasive speeches, and he was extremely verbose. When I say I want to be a great speaker, I mean I want to be on the same level as Hitler. Then bear in mind: “I have not come into this world to make men better, but to make use of their weaknesses.” – [Adolf Hitler](http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hitler) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/157 "2013-07-17T16:42:01Z")
I’m disappointed I didn’t post it earlier, but: “You wrecked Hitler’s car! What’d he ever do to you?” ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/158 "2013-07-17T16:42:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He was probably expecting that one of the posters who called you a Nazi or questioned your intelligence would get a warning. This. What I found instead was second Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/159 "2013-07-17T16:42:14Z")
If I were the OP I don’t think I’d concentrate on my communication skills, that would just make it easier to convince people he’s a pathetic loser. ---
**Author:** ![rEVOLutionary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revolutionary/32/7311_2.png) [@rEVOLutionary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rEVOLutionary)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616/160 "2013-07-17T16:47:35Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > It means that Judaism isn’t just a religion. It’s also a culture and an ethnicity. My temple is full of atheist Jews. Are you okay with them? Judaism is just a religion. You cannot be Jewish and be an atheist. That’s like saying Christianity is a race… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/public-speaking-controversial/663616.md?page=9)