# Punk Died Today, Didja Notice? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2002, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355 "2002-05-29T15:35:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/61 "2004-03-01T18:37:03Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Just so’s you know, it’s generally considered to be bad board ettiquette to bring back threads that no has posted to for more than a month or so. The general rule is “don’t bump threads that have been dead for three months or more.” > [@](#): > > - Bumping an old thread can be annoying because it’s not immediately obvious that it’s an old thread, and people feel cheated wasting their time on a stuff people said two years ago. Hell, I didn’t realize this was an old thread until I came across a post from myself. Plus, the people you’re responding to might not still be active members of the board, or their opinions might have changed since the thread was first active.\* Even board rules might have changed. I recently reported an OP for violating the “no joke threads in the Pit” rule but hadn’t noticed that the OP in question was nearly a year old. ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/62 "2004-03-01T19:13:09Z")
If punk is dead, then yesterday was the wrong day to give myself a mohawk. ---
**Author:** ![sooperpooper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sooperpooper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sooperpooper)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/63 "2004-03-02T02:35:07Z")
First, hello. I apologize if I’m breaking any rules concerning first posts. Smack me and tell me I’ve been a bad little girl. I also apologize for talking in circles and rambling off topic. I learned it from my mother. Blame her. :rolleyes: I don’t think I’m punk, and I don’t pretend to be. That would defeat the whole purpose (in my eyes) of being punk. Punk (the music) is alive and flourishing. I can’t stand it. Punk (the party hearty kind of spirit) will never die. Punk (the rebellious, anti-establishment, anarchist, disenfranchised, kill the status quo kind of spirit) will only die when these people actually stand up and do something about it. And starting a revolution sure as hell isn’t a walk in the park. Believe me, I tried. People are just too damn scared of losing their jobs. Or lives, for that matter. So now I sit back and wait for the holocaust. Or plague. Or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![nitroglycerine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c5a1d2/32.png) [@nitroglycerine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nitroglycerine)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2004, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/64 "2004-03-02T04:51:12Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > If you don’t feel the punk in Fugazi, what the hell did you ever see in Minor Threat? Well, the big difference is Minor Threat ROCKED. Fugazi doesn’t rock. I’m not putting down Fugazi, and I’m not saying that they’re not ‘punk’ in the broad sense of the word. Their integrety and self-sufficiancy has been and is an inspiration to DIY, punk and indie bands of all stripes. Their music is by no strech of the imagination “punk” though, IMHO anyway (and I have a pretty broad definition of what punk-rock is.) They’'re closer to being a fucking prog-rock band than punk rock. Bands like NOMEANSNO, Television, early (and brand new) Wire, The Feederz, Flipper, The Crucifucks had prog-rock tendencies and/or messed around with the basic formula, but they didn’t lose that raw edge, that soul or whatever you want to call it that made them acceptable to the punk orthodoxy (I always wanted to say "punk orthodoxy) Fugazi doesn’t have that edge. They’re much to slick and shiny to be punk rock. \*Yeah, this might be an old thread but, hey, how often to we get to argue about the punk rock around here? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/65 "2004-03-02T16:15:21Z")
Well I guess that depends on how far you intend to carry the analysis. Does a punk band have to make every song punk to qualify? Take “Great Cop” off Fugazi’s “In on the Kill Taker” album. That’s as raw as raw can be. Sure, they have branched out and grown over the years, tried different sounds, and so on, but I don’t think they’ve ever lost the edge, and I think they’ve kept a very distinctive sound. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2004, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/66 "2004-03-02T18:14:00Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Guys, I’m 41. . Hey, Astorian – you might already know this, but just in case, at some point in the mid-80’s, can’t remember exactly when, one of our local-hero (NYC) punk bands\* was called – wait for it – the Astorians. - They sounded like punk to me. Don’t shoot me if they were actually hardcore or straightedge or whatever – I have no idea what the difference is. ---
**Author:** ![Nutty\_Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d07c76/32.png) [@Nutty\_Bunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nutty_Bunny)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/67 "2004-03-03T13:20:55Z")
> [@htns](#): > > No, I’ll worry when I hear a Cyndi Lauper track in a commercial for adult undergarments or a Belinda Carlisle track in a commercial for a retirement home. > > At that point, I’ll probably die from depression and angst. Well, since this thread was risen from the dead anyway… The Cure’s “Pictures of You” for HP and The Specials’ (or Dandy Livingstone’s) “Rudy (A Message to You)” for paper towels. Enough said. And I believe “Girls Just Want to Have Fun” was used in an ad for somethingorother. ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/68 "2004-03-03T19:34:22Z")
> [@Nutty Bunny](#): > > Well, since this thread was risen from the dead anyway… > > The Cure’s “Pictures of You” (new wave/alternative dance music) for HP and The Specials’ (or Dandy Livingstone’s) “Rudy (A Message to You)” **(ska)** for paper towels. Enough said. > > And I believe “Girls Just Want to Have Fun” (MTV girl-pop) was used in an ad for somethingorother. _Sidney H. Vicious on a Stick!_ I suppose you think those were punk songs, too? :rolleyes: Punk is dead because it gets included in discussions of ((gag!)) fucking ‘prog rock’, and because people make warm, cuddly protests about why punk’s still ‘alive’. Punk’s dead and you’re in denial. Punk’s dead because you think you should fucking care. :o ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/69 "2004-03-03T20:07:19Z")
Warm, cuddly protests? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/70 "2004-03-03T21:40:04Z")
What’s your deal, anyway, **glute**? What’s with the huge emotional investment you’ve got in “proving” punk is dead? I mean, who gives a shit? You don’t like punk, don’t listen to punk. Or just listen to old punk, or “real” punk, or whatever the fuck you’re trying to say in this thread. Do you have a point, or are you just working overtime to live up to your screenname? ---
**Author:** ![Ivan-Osokin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4491bb/32.png) [@Ivan-Osokin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ivan-Osokin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/71 "2004-03-03T22:37:10Z")
What what it’s worth at this point, I seem to remember reading an interview with Pete Shelley of Buzzcocks in The Big Takeover around the time that the Toyota commercial using his song came out. In the interview he indicated that he wasn’t even aware that it was being done until after the commercial was produced. Not sure if they had to get his permission or not, nor whether he received any money, but I also vaguely remember him saying that it didn’t bother him at all. If I were him, I’d still be mad at the Fine Young Canibals for destroying “Ever Fallen in Love…” Then again, in another interview he stated that royalties from their cover all but kept him afloat in the mid 80s. ---
**Author:** ![Greenhorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@Greenhorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greenhorn)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/72 "2004-03-04T00:58:58Z")
I’m breaking my lurking streak, but I have to add this [Onion](http://www.theonion.com/onion3919/90s_punk.html) link since no one else has. Rock on, punks! ---
**Author:** ![crass33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ac8455/32.png) [@crass33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crass33)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/73 "2004-03-04T01:33:32Z")
> [@Greenhorn](#): > > I’m breaking my lurking streak, but I have to add this [Onion](http://www.theonion.com/onion3919/90s_punk.html) link since no one else has. Rock on, punks! ``` Well, i don't really see any difference between the bands that guy hates and the ones he listens to. He's wearing a Rancid t-shirt...there's pop/punk and then there is punk. Did i miss the part where Rancid became punk? ``` ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/74 "2004-03-04T15:05:53Z")
Will the True Arbiter of Punk[sup]TM[/sup] please stand. ---
**Author:** ![nitroglycerine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c5a1d2/32.png) [@nitroglycerine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nitroglycerine)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/75 "2004-03-04T16:02:30Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > Will the True Arbiter of Punk[sup]TM[/sup] please stand. Tim Yohannon’s dead, so he might have a hard time standing 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/76 "2004-03-04T18:54:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > What’s your deal, anyway, **glute**? What’s with the huge emotional investment you’ve got in “proving” punk is dead? I mean, who gives a shit? You don’t like punk, don’t listen to punk. Or just listen to old punk, or “real” punk, or whatever the fuck you’re trying to say in this thread. Do you have a point, or are you just working overtime to live up to your screenname? What the fuck are you slobbering about? Just where did it seem to you that I made any emotional statements? If you don’t give a shit, fuck off and don’t post stupid questions. I never said I don’t like punk. I said punk’s dead. If you can’t fucking recognize a fucking point when you fuckin read one, that’s fucking not my fucking fault in any fucking way whatsofuckingever. Congratufuckinglations on translating fucking Latin, oh fucking grinder of copulating grain! _ **FUCK-OFF,** _ **Miller** , _ **YOU FUCKWAD!** _ Just a little emotion for ya there, since you seemed to be unsure of what ‘emotion’ means. ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/77 "2004-03-04T18:56:25Z")
> [@XWalrus2](#): > > If punk is dead, then yesterday was the wrong day to give myself a mohawk. The plumage don’t enter into it. It’s stone dead. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/78 "2004-03-04T20:01:13Z")
> [@gluteus maximus](#): > > What the fuck are you slobbering about? Just where did it seem to you that I made any emotional statements? He didn’t say you made emotional statements. But thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/79 "2004-03-04T20:42:21Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > He didn’t say you made emotional statements. But thanks for playing. Oh, excuse the hell out of me, Dear Nearly Ten Thousand Poster, you wanker. Go play with yourself. Butt, whole… Please allow me to re-state my query: What the fuck are you slobbering about? Just where did it seem to you that I made any fucking emotional investment? Better? Happy now? Are you beginning to fucking _feel_ some dead punkiness now? ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355/80 "2004-03-05T00:51:30Z")
Oh I am exceedingly happy now. Thank you very much. I am not feeling punk’s death yet, but I am feeling that you have a rather strange conviction about it, asserting it over and over, getting worked up. One might say you have an emotional investment in the matter. Yep, one might. Not me, though. Clearly you don’t care about the issue at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/punk-died-today-didja-notice/111355.md?page=5)